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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7322606" data-attributes="member: 16814">Um, since no one else has pointed this out, the spider in the MM is tiny in size, but that means it's about a foot across.&nbsp; I dunno about you, but that's not a spider anything except maybe an ettercap is going to ignore.&nbsp; While the bite only does 1 damage, that means that this spider can easily kill a goblin with 7 good bites without poison.&nbsp; Do you know of any teeny, non-threatening spiders that can actually bite you to death?&nbsp; That's a scary spider, man.If that kind of spider is roaming around a dungeon, almost anything that sees it is going to take exception to it's existence, likely in an violent way.&nbsp; Once you make this point clear, and then have things react to the 12&quot; spider running across the ceiling appropriately, this issue takes care of itself.Also, by the by, hiding does not require total obscurement.&nbsp; The new term of art is just that you &quot;can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly.&quot;&nbsp; What &quot;see you clearly&quot; means falls under the overall rule that the DM determines when circumstances are appropriate for hiding.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7322606, member: 16814"] Um, since no one else has pointed this out, the spider in the MM is tiny in size, but that means it's about a foot across. I dunno about you, but that's not a spider anything except maybe an ettercap is going to ignore. While the bite only does 1 damage, that means that this spider can easily kill a goblin with 7 good bites without poison. Do you know of any teeny, non-threatening spiders that can actually bite you to death? That's a scary spider, man. If that kind of spider is roaming around a dungeon, almost anything that sees it is going to take exception to it's existence, likely in an violent way. Once you make this point clear, and then have things react to the 12" spider running across the ceiling appropriately, this issue takes care of itself. Also, by the by, hiding does not require total obscurement. The new term of art is just that you "can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly." What "see you clearly" means falls under the overall rule that the DM determines when circumstances are appropriate for hiding. [/QUOTE]

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