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<blockquote data-quote="kalani" data-source="post: 6826593" data-attributes="member: 88085"><p>Natural weapons are not weapons - therefore they are not simple weapons.</p><p></p><p><strong>As far as the Martial Arts entry goes</strong></p><p>It was written using the old rules for unarmed strikes, which required a creature to be <strong>unarmed</strong> to qualify for making unarmed strikes. The new rules for unarmed strike no longer require a creature to be unarmed. As such, there is justification that the text in the <em>Martial Arts</em> entry is an artifact of the errata process, and that it too should be updated to the new unarmed strike rules.</p><p></p><p>The v2 printing of the Players Handbook includes all errata changes. As such, the only way we are going to be able to answer this conclusively, is if someone quotes the exact text from the v2 PHB, as the PHB errata document does not list <em>every</em> instance of a rules change (only the main ones). </p><p></p><p>IOWs - only the entry for unarmed strikes on p195 was changed. Does this mean that monks still require to be unarmed to make unarmed strikes? Unknown. </p><p></p><p>Specific does trump general however, so there is also justification to say that while all creatures can make unarmed strikes, monks must <em>always</em> be unarmed (or wielding a monk weapon) to benefit from Martial Arts. </p><p></p><p>I can personally see it being ruled both ways, as while the errata clarifies some ambiguity, it does create additional ambiguity as to whether a wildshaped monk can still use Martial Arts. </p><p></p><p><strong>Perhaps the simplest solution is to ask JC in Sage Advice</strong></p><p>If he rules that a wildshaped monk can use Martial Arts when making an unarmed strike in bear-form, AL DMs are allowed to use that ruling (but are not required to). If he rules that wildshaped monks are unable to benefit from MA (as they are never unarmed), then his ruling backs up the wording in the PHB and clarifies the ambiguity surrounding the errata</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kalani, post: 6826593, member: 88085"] Natural weapons are not weapons - therefore they are not simple weapons. [B]As far as the Martial Arts entry goes[/B] It was written using the old rules for unarmed strikes, which required a creature to be [B]unarmed[/B] to qualify for making unarmed strikes. The new rules for unarmed strike no longer require a creature to be unarmed. As such, there is justification that the text in the [I]Martial Arts[/I] entry is an artifact of the errata process, and that it too should be updated to the new unarmed strike rules. The v2 printing of the Players Handbook includes all errata changes. As such, the only way we are going to be able to answer this conclusively, is if someone quotes the exact text from the v2 PHB, as the PHB errata document does not list [I]every[/I] instance of a rules change (only the main ones). IOWs - only the entry for unarmed strikes on p195 was changed. Does this mean that monks still require to be unarmed to make unarmed strikes? Unknown. Specific does trump general however, so there is also justification to say that while all creatures can make unarmed strikes, monks must [I]always[/I] be unarmed (or wielding a monk weapon) to benefit from Martial Arts. I can personally see it being ruled both ways, as while the errata clarifies some ambiguity, it does create additional ambiguity as to whether a wildshaped monk can still use Martial Arts. [B]Perhaps the simplest solution is to ask JC in Sage Advice[/B] If he rules that a wildshaped monk can use Martial Arts when making an unarmed strike in bear-form, AL DMs are allowed to use that ruling (but are not required to). If he rules that wildshaped monks are unable to benefit from MA (as they are never unarmed), then his ruling backs up the wording in the PHB and clarifies the ambiguity surrounding the errata [/QUOTE]
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