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<blockquote data-quote="kalani" data-source="post: 6826604" data-attributes="member: 88085"><p>This post will be updated as more entries are added in the discussion.<strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Points for allowing wildshaped monks to benefit from Martial Arts</strong></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">All creatures can make unarmed strikes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Minotaur Monks would never benefit from Martial Arts (as they have a martial weapon). This is an oddly exclusive racial restriction, esp. given how many minotaur monks exist in the lore (while not an AL-legal reference, it does add a point in favor of the discussion).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unarmed strike was removed from the weapon table. You no longer "wield" an unarmed strike, therefore the text in the MA entry is weird.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Creatures no longer need to be <strong>unarmed</strong> in order to make unarmed strikes.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Natural weapons are <em>not</em> weapons, and are never wielded. They are melee weapon attacks that do not count as a weapon. This makes them a grey area open for interpretation.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ambiguity surrounding the Martial Arts entry, and whether it was overlooked in errata, esp. considering the fact that outside of this one specific example (a wildshaped monk), the wording in the Martial Arts ability is not contradicted by the errata for unarmed strike.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You retain all benefits of your class, race, etc while in wildshape - including "Martial Arts"</li> </ul><p></p><p><strong>Points Against</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Specific trumps general:</strong> The Martial Arts ability is more specific than the Unarmed Strike entry.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Martial Arts entry specifically requires the character to be <strong>unarmed</strong> or wielding only a monk weapon. Ambiguity exists as to whether this entry should have been updated with the errata (even if it wasn't).</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kalani, post: 6826604, member: 88085"] This post will be updated as more entries are added in the discussion.[B] Points for allowing wildshaped monks to benefit from Martial Arts[/B] [LIST] [*]All creatures can make unarmed strikes [*]Minotaur Monks would never benefit from Martial Arts (as they have a martial weapon). This is an oddly exclusive racial restriction, esp. given how many minotaur monks exist in the lore (while not an AL-legal reference, it does add a point in favor of the discussion). [*]Unarmed strike was removed from the weapon table. You no longer "wield" an unarmed strike, therefore the text in the MA entry is weird. [*]Creatures no longer need to be [B]unarmed[/B] in order to make unarmed strikes. [*]Natural weapons are [I]not[/I] weapons, and are never wielded. They are melee weapon attacks that do not count as a weapon. This makes them a grey area open for interpretation. [*]Ambiguity surrounding the Martial Arts entry, and whether it was overlooked in errata, esp. considering the fact that outside of this one specific example (a wildshaped monk), the wording in the Martial Arts ability is not contradicted by the errata for unarmed strike. [*]You retain all benefits of your class, race, etc while in wildshape - including "Martial Arts" [/LIST] [B]Points Against[/B] [LIST] [*][B]Specific trumps general:[/B] The Martial Arts ability is more specific than the Unarmed Strike entry. [*]The Martial Arts entry specifically requires the character to be [B]unarmed[/B] or wielding only a monk weapon. Ambiguity exists as to whether this entry should have been updated with the errata (even if it wasn't). [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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