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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 1838041" data-attributes="member: 545">Based on the core books only...Unless you have most of your combats on open ground on in forests, I find the suggestion that the Druid has the best spell list absolutely preposterous.  From my experience, Druid defensive spells are weaker than a Wizard's and a joke compared to the Cleric's.  Offense punch is a bit stronger than a Cleric but not necessarily by much -- some Domain spells such as Holy Smite are very very good.To my mind, the "wild card" in the balance equation is wildshaping.  It is really not a big deal until the Druid can become Large at 8yh level -- a heavily armored Cleric could easily hold his own against a Druid in Black Bear form.  The open question is how much equipment the Druid can used while wildshaped.  If the answer is "most" then wildshaping makes the Druid very powerful -- probably too powerful once the PC acquires some nice magic item combos.  If the answer is "a little" or "none" then the wildshaped Druid has a big fat glass jaw (low saves and low AC) that makes the character an accident waiting to happen unless wildshape is used very carefully.</blockquote>