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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1146543" data-attributes="member: 957">Thats just nuts.You are inventing a statement that does not exist in the spell description.PH page 9: &quot;If a character's Constitution changes enough to alter his or her Constitution modifier, the character's hit points also increase or decrease accordingly.&quot;Alter self does NOT state that a change in CON no longer changes hit points.&nbsp; It states that the spell it self does not change hit points.&nbsp; There are two means by which it could do so: It changes your CON or it changes you hit dice.&nbsp; The prior sentence ruled out CON, so it can only be refering to HD.&nbsp; As you said, Polymorph uses the rules of Alter Self except where stated otherwise.&nbsp; Polymorph states otherwise that CON changes.&nbsp; Follow the rules for changing your CON as normal.Further note that 3E Polymorh Other specifcially states that a lack of change in Hit points persisted despite the change in CON.&nbsp; That language is blantantly absent from both Alter Self (where it would be pointless) and Polymorph (where if intended it would clearly be needed).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 1146543, member: 957"] Thats just nuts. You are inventing a statement that does not exist in the spell description. PH page 9: "If a character's Constitution changes enough to alter his or her Constitution modifier, the character's hit points also increase or decrease accordingly." Alter self does NOT state that a change in CON no longer changes hit points. It states that the spell it self does not change hit points. There are two means by which it could do so: It changes your CON or it changes you hit dice. The prior sentence ruled out CON, so it can only be refering to HD. As you said, Polymorph uses the rules of Alter Self except where stated otherwise. Polymorph states otherwise that CON changes. Follow the rules for changing your CON as normal. Further note that 3E Polymorh Other specifcially states that a lack of change in Hit points persisted despite the change in CON. That language is blantantly absent from both Alter Self (where it would be pointless) and Polymorph (where if intended it would clearly be needed). [/QUOTE]

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