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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1146985" data-attributes="member: 957">Right.&nbsp; And nothing in Alter Self states that that change in CON would not change your hit points.&nbsp; There are no mechanics for how to handle ability score changes resulting from Alter Self.Wrong.You keep taking the statement out of context.&nbsp; I asked you why the terms &quot;base&quot; save and &quot;base&quot; attack are used.&nbsp; You ignored this question because the only reasonable answer make the correct interpretation obvious.&nbsp; The complete sentence is &quot;Your class and level, hit points, alignment, base attack bonus, and bonus saves all remain the same.&quot;&nbsp; Everything after &quot;class and level&quot; descends from &quot;class and level&quot;.&nbsp; Like you pointed out, there is no term &quot;base hit points&quot;.&nbsp; Yet you are basing your argument on them not using a term that does not exist.&nbsp; Again, why do they specify &quot;base&quot;?&nbsp; The answer is because your bab and base saves are functions of the topic of the sentence: class and level.&nbsp; The old 3E version of Polymorph (Other) specifically stated that your hit points did not change &quot;despite&quot; the change in your CON.&nbsp; This phrase was blatantly removed.&nbsp; There is a rule that states a change in CON changes your hit points.&nbsp; There is no statement in Alter Self or Polymorph that contradicts this.&nbsp; If a Sorc4/Paladin1 uses Alter Self to take the form of a 2HD &quot;always evil&quot; creature, they would still be a Sorc4/Paladin1 with the same hit points (4d10+1d4+5*Con bonus+other, NOT 2dX+...), alignment, bab and base saves.&quot;&nbsp; That is all the key sentence is saying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 1146985, member: 957"] Right. And nothing in Alter Self states that that change in CON would not change your hit points. There are no mechanics for how to handle ability score changes resulting from Alter Self. Wrong. You keep taking the statement out of context. I asked you why the terms "base" save and "base" attack are used. You ignored this question because the only reasonable answer make the correct interpretation obvious. The complete sentence is "Your class and level, hit points, alignment, base attack bonus, and bonus saves all remain the same." Everything after "class and level" descends from "class and level". Like you pointed out, there is no term "base hit points". Yet you are basing your argument on them not using a term that does not exist. Again, why do they specify "base"? The answer is because your bab and base saves are functions of the topic of the sentence: class and level. The old 3E version of Polymorph (Other) specifically stated that your hit points did not change "despite" the change in your CON. This phrase was blatantly removed. There is a rule that states a change in CON changes your hit points. There is no statement in Alter Self or Polymorph that contradicts this. If a Sorc4/Paladin1 uses Alter Self to take the form of a 2HD "always evil" creature, they would still be a Sorc4/Paladin1 with the same hit points (4d10+1d4+5*Con bonus+other, NOT 2dX+...), alignment, bab and base saves." That is all the key sentence is saying. [/QUOTE]

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