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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vurrath" data-source="post: 8228878" data-attributes="member: 7030155">Quick question,.. putting-out a torch or similar was exactly what i thought when i read the description,.. but i noticed that lanterns aren't  EXPLICITLY listed in that list ;i know they're meant to be protected, or  as is the case with the Gust of wind spell at  a-half chance to be put out,..... when in real, descriptive-terms, it's meant to be the SPEED of the conjured wind, cooling the wick of a candle,.. but might druidcraft be moreso skill with a RANGE OF minor conjurative, evocative, and even summoning capacities?  (the pattern of growth, or time-of-chemical/cell-growth reactions in a seed or pod? )If so, a lantern might not be safe, if a concentrated cold-conjurative capacity is allowed or assumed-WITHIN that range of minor-effects,..or maybe it's a indirect-withdrawl of O2  ?   * shrugs *------------Aside from the argument, is it meant to be able to?  If you were to assume-not  since gust of wind is a 2nd level and spell, and so somehow that should = 'entitlement' to be able to do things better than lower-level spells,..... then hang on,.. stop being a  orders-are-everything supremicist-chump,.. to be fair, druidcraft cannot DO what gust of wind can do  -  it cannot move/knock over multiple opponents that fail their STR saves,.. it cannot slow enemies movement,.. and it cannot be maintained up to a minute with concentration.So, CONSIDERING#1 that you're only talking about a small candle-SIZED flame or a few coals ( and-NOT a roaring bonfire or kiln, etc),..and, perhaps most-importantly ;CONSIDERING #2That a bunch of dwindling fire-coals would be BRIGHTENED, by wind,.. not  put-out  by them,..         ( the accellerated O2 would increase it's combustion, not decrease it )HOW is druidcraft SUPPOSED to be putting out some coals,..  WERE,.. it using wind?And in that case, (if it's not supposed to be using wind, -else coals would brighten) how is it supposed to be able to put out a candle, without GENERATING wind,..... if-NOT using cold?   ( i.e. what-ELSE, if-not either? )------THAT, suggests,it IS, cold,.. conjured-cold, or something that affects combustion, in modern physics terms.and so THAT raises, the I think fair-question, as to whether or not lanterns should've been not-specified in that listing.AND then maybe-also,.. if there needs to be a clarification fromthe-powers-that-be,in D&D.( Gust also has advantages, by the way, that druidcraft would ALSO not-have, so allowing lanterns to be put out via druidcraft, might  NOT be unfair for it, too. )In terms of fairness, perhaps small campfires should NOT be able to be put out by druidcraft, if it IS, meant, to be only a small-candle-sized micro-gust, and should also be not-listed.sigh... why didn't they just say candle & torch?  exposed-FLAME.</blockquote>

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