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<blockquote data-quote="weldon" data-source="post: 6494922" data-attributes="member: 18817"><p>Sorry. I was unclear.</p><p></p><p>I agree that the rule can make sense. Your explanations make a certain sense. I'm not trying to argue against the rule itself, I'm arguing against inconsistent explanations like druids don't like metal, druids don't like technology, metal isn't part of nature, or iron isn't found in nature. Those don't make much sense and definitely trip my logic meter.</p><p></p><p>Even if we use your explanation, to make it consistent does it then follow that druids are incapable of using spells inside a metal box? Do druids make a distinction between organic materials and inorganic materials? </p><p></p><p>I'm most comfortable with the idea that there is no explanation. Druids simply make an oath not to use metal armor. But even then, I'm left to wonder… why do they make this oath? are there druids in the world that take different oaths? Why metal?</p><p></p><p>If the answer is that every DM is free to create their own fluff and houserule the restriction, then why is the rule even there? Especially when druids are the only class with any restrictions at all in their class features.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The history of technology in the ancient world was part of my education so I know a little bit about the big sweeping changes, but relatively little about smelting itself (I had to look a few things up).</p></blockquote><p></p><p>"metal is not part of nature"</p><p></p><p>Timbercide and rock rape made me laugh.</p><p></p><p>If druids saw things this way, wouldn't they be against using anything that wasn't found? Wouldn't they be against making trees into lumber, hides into clothing, and sticks into bows and arrows? I suppose that's possible, but I'm not very satisfied with that answer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While most metals are found in ore, there are some native metals that are found in nature as almost pure elements, sometimes as alloys. Copper, gold, silver. If you think ore is the natural form and smelting is unnatural, I can buy that. But it does seem to me that extracting metal from ore is not much different than using bones extracted from animals, cooking or fermenting grains, making paper, or firing clay into pottery.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="weldon, post: 6494922, member: 18817"] Sorry. I was unclear. I agree that the rule can make sense. Your explanations make a certain sense. I'm not trying to argue against the rule itself, I'm arguing against inconsistent explanations like druids don't like metal, druids don't like technology, metal isn't part of nature, or iron isn't found in nature. Those don't make much sense and definitely trip my logic meter. Even if we use your explanation, to make it consistent does it then follow that druids are incapable of using spells inside a metal box? Do druids make a distinction between organic materials and inorganic materials? I'm most comfortable with the idea that there is no explanation. Druids simply make an oath not to use metal armor. But even then, I'm left to wonder… why do they make this oath? are there druids in the world that take different oaths? Why metal? If the answer is that every DM is free to create their own fluff and houserule the restriction, then why is the rule even there? Especially when druids are the only class with any restrictions at all in their class features. The history of technology in the ancient world was part of my education so I know a little bit about the big sweeping changes, but relatively little about smelting itself (I had to look a few things up).[/quote] "metal is not part of nature" Timbercide and rock rape made me laugh. If druids saw things this way, wouldn't they be against using anything that wasn't found? Wouldn't they be against making trees into lumber, hides into clothing, and sticks into bows and arrows? I suppose that's possible, but I'm not very satisfied with that answer. While most metals are found in ore, there are some native metals that are found in nature as almost pure elements, sometimes as alloys. Copper, gold, silver. If you think ore is the natural form and smelting is unnatural, I can buy that. But it does seem to me that extracting metal from ore is not much different than using bones extracted from animals, cooking or fermenting grains, making paper, or firing clay into pottery. [/QUOTE]
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