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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 3891198" data-attributes="member: 40961">Never played it.&nbsp; Not familiar with it.But let me use 4e speak to address 3e for a moment.Wildshape is a cool ability.&nbsp; But in combat its fundamentally a Defender type ability, at least in that it turns the druid into a defender type character with a ton of hit points and a good melee attack.Druidic spellcasting is a mixture of Leader and Controller type powers.I'd rather split these abilities up into two classes, so that balance reasons don't require watering down one in order to justify giving the class the other.&nbsp; Balance, as far as I can tell, requires weakening wildshape if you give it to a 9 level spellcaster, because a character who's a melee heavy hitter AND a 9 level spellcaster is a bit broken.&nbsp; Or, balance requires weakening the spellcasting if you give it to a wildshaper, for the same reasons.&nbsp; I'd rather get full strength versions of both in two separate classes than a weakened version of either in one class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 3891198, member: 40961"] Never played it. Not familiar with it. But let me use 4e speak to address 3e for a moment. Wildshape is a cool ability. But in combat its fundamentally a Defender type ability, at least in that it turns the druid into a defender type character with a ton of hit points and a good melee attack. Druidic spellcasting is a mixture of Leader and Controller type powers. I'd rather split these abilities up into two classes, so that balance reasons don't require watering down one in order to justify giving the class the other. Balance, as far as I can tell, requires weakening wildshape if you give it to a 9 level spellcaster, because a character who's a melee heavy hitter AND a 9 level spellcaster is a bit broken. Or, balance requires weakening the spellcasting if you give it to a wildshaper, for the same reasons. I'd rather get full strength versions of both in two separate classes than a weakened version of either in one class. [/QUOTE]

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