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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1146986" data-attributes="member: 13916">To refer to some previous comments:1) Grapple Is a killer. But nothing is stopping you casting polymorph other on the fighter into a firegiant and then buffing him, with his increased BAB he will be far better than the Druid. In the same way a cleric can buff himself to the nine .. or buff the fighter. 2) Animals have truely abysmal ac, sure you look great, until someon has say, haste, and move up to whap you. A level 17 fighter has3 attacks, lets be really mean and make it a fighter with favoureded enemy fighter.. you can pretty much garuntee you just got hit 6 ties, for d6+str+fav enemy+magic+the rest, call it d6+8 per attack, or 6d6+48. Alternately they might just chose to shoot you, also highlighting your week ac. Saying you are better than a fighter is like pointing out a level 17 mage can cast maze on a fighter and defeat him. While casters have their high level spells they will kick a fighter about, but when your spells are youyou better run fast because the fighter will own your hide.</blockquote>