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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1149131" data-attributes="member: 13916">Almost as an aside:I really dont understand all these threads slagging off fighters. Other classess really do not have the ac and Hp to be tanks, and fighters can do a decent amount of damage witht he right feet tree. I do feel that people who say "Well IfI cast this this and this on my cleric of broken prestige class I beat the fighter" Miss the point that if they cast those spells on the fighter and not themselfs then you would be getting the most from spells. A level 13 fighter should have somthing along the lines of 27Str (+8) Weapon Specialisation and greater weapon specialisation, and a +3 weapon. So a Well built fighter will be doing d8+15 (+any energy dice)critting on 17-20. Further with decent (+4/+5armor and shield +3/+4 ring) with expertise the figter can get an ac In the 44-45 range (48-50 with haste) which even the bears will struggle to touch, while he can sight the bears ac or 15, power attack for 10, and reall lay the smack down with 3 attacks of d8+25, and with haste he canmove up and make a full attack, with mobility feat his ac will be a mere 38-39 (no expertise here because your power attacking). Of course this is before bulls strength, enlarge person, stone skin, mage armor, spiked armor,mage armor (for those touch attacks),barkskin, blur/displacement,polymorph (Fire giant or similar) Because you did buff your fighter didnt you ? Im sure there is some "cleric of broken" who can do all this for 4 rounds a day if given 3 roundsprep, and Ill leave that to smackdown threads. But if fighters are given the buffs people love to dump on themselves, they become mean mofos.</blockquote>

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