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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 1149558" data-attributes="member: 259">Majere, you missed my request, apparently, which is to try playing through a combat between the two.  In my experience, fighters fall to creatures with improved grab and size differentials, no matter what.  You're suggesting this breaks down at high levels; rather than theory, I'd be interested in what you find out when you play through this.  Admittedly I've never played a druid past eleventh level, so I can't say one way or the other. However, my experiences with them suggest to me that grappling is too powerful and universally good, and that druidic wildshaping is unbalanced. I know every tactic has a counter.  I'm suggesting that in general, wildshaped druids + their cheese can beat fighters + their cheese. Daniel</blockquote>