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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 9266475" data-attributes="member: 20323">[USER=7037866]@ezo[/USER] Thanks for your examples. How did your group like those two approaches in comparison? Were players who wanted to dual-class (or whatever you called it) happier with the "new class as subclass" version?[USER=205]@TwoSix[/USER] Perhaps borrowing the dual-class terminology is confusing as really it's what ezo said – it's a very unique form of multiclassing specific to two classes where you cherry pick what you get at each level. Using my rough idea, here's the difference between a Rogue/Wizard dual-class PC (taking Rogue @ levels 1,3,5 & Wizard @ 2,4,6,7,8) and a Rogue 3/Wizard 5 PC using standard multiclass rules:<table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>Character Level</td><td>Dual-class</td><td>Multiclass</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>ROGUE Expertise, Sneak Attack 1d6, Thieves Cant, Spellcasting (1st level spells)</td></tr></table></td><td>Rogue 1 (Expertise, Sneak Attack 1d6, Thieves Cant)</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>WIZARD Arcane Tradition, still 1st level spells (i.e. spellcasting as 2nd level wizard)</td><td>Rogue 2 (Cunning Action)</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>ROGUE Roguish Archetype</td><td>Wizard 1 (Arcane Recovery, Spellcasting 1st level spells)</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>WIZARD Ability Score Improvement, 2nd level spells (i.e. spellcasting as 3rd level wizard)</td><td>Wizard 2 (Arcane Tradition)</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>ROGUE Uncanny Dodge, Sneak Attack 2d6</td><td>Wizard 3 (2nd level spells)</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>WIZARD Arcane Tradition feature, still 2nd level spells (i.e. spellcasting as 4th level wizard)</td><td>Rogue 3 (Sneak Attack 2d6, Roguish Archetype)</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>WIZARD 3rd level spells (i.e. spellcasting as 5th level wizard)</td><td>Wizard 4 (Ability Score Improvement)</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>WIZARD <table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>Ability Score Improvement, still 3rd level spells (i.e. spellcasting as 6th level wizard)</td></tr></table></td><td>Wizard 5 (3rd level spells)</td></tr></table>EDIT: I was corrected here that I wasn't playing by my own rules including Spellcasting at 1st level - so treat this bit as an err or a prototype, not the "Way it Must Be."So there's a lot of overlap, but the key differences  – at least with this example –  are that the dual-class PC gets Spellcasting right at 1st level, which is a definite power-up and helps feel like their character concept right out the gate. CONTEXT: This would be for a higher level game, so the imbalance at 1st level wouldn't be felt. But for more widespread application, that would be a balance concern.However, the dual class PC misses out on both Cunning Action and Arcane Recovery.OTOH, they pick up Uncanny Dodge and the 6th level Arcane Tradition feature, which this multiclass PC does not.</blockquote>

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