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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5623882" data-attributes="member: 35909">I'm thinking of making a Ranger using the Shield and Weapon style from APG, goal of using two Heavy spiked Bashing shields by level 6.&nbsp; With Ranger, he can get Shield Slam at 2 and Shield Master at 6, so he can dual wield the shields w/o penalty and get a free bull rush on every hit.&nbsp; That's the basic concept.&nbsp; I'm not sure what do actually do with that, though.I could go for Greater Bull Rush to make each push back provoke, but I'm not sure it's worth it.&nbsp; <s>You see, Shield Slam doesn't use CMB, it uses your attack roll, so the bonuses from Improved and Greater are worthless.</s>&nbsp; Further, even if he uses two one-handed weapons (the heavy shields), my understanding is that Power Attack would still only be +1 damage on the &quot;off-hand.&quot;&nbsp; Which...IMO isn't worth it unless I'm having a major problem with someone's DR.&nbsp; So, I'm not sure 3 feats just to make it provoke is worth it.&nbsp; It'd help if I knew the party make-up, like if we have a battlefield control mage then just knocking people into &quot;the suck&quot; is probably a viable enough contribution to the party, for example.Also not sure of race.&nbsp; I really really like dwarf, but str is the most important stat and I need to actually qualify for the TWF line, so high dex is unfortunately also important.&nbsp; Not sure I can afford a race that doesn't boost either of those.&nbsp; So, maybe Tengu or Oread instead?&nbsp; Or Human, but I try to avoid playing humans whenever possible.Finally, I'm not sure what I should do after Ranger 6.&nbsp; Ranger 10 I can get Bashing Finish which isn't bad.&nbsp; But I'd be open to a prestige class or multiclass if it can give me some new combat options, too.&nbsp; Does anyone recommend a Ranger archetype?&nbsp; It seems like Guide or normal Ranger is the best for my concept.Thanks for your help.UPDATE: Based upon common sense and what's been said on the matter on paizo's forums, I've come to the conclusion that you do, in fact, get Improved/Greater Bull Rush's bonuses on Shield Slam.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5623882, member: 35909"] I'm thinking of making a Ranger using the Shield and Weapon style from APG, goal of using two Heavy spiked Bashing shields by level 6. With Ranger, he can get Shield Slam at 2 and Shield Master at 6, so he can dual wield the shields w/o penalty and get a free bull rush on every hit. That's the basic concept. I'm not sure what do actually [i]do[/i] with that, though. I could go for Greater Bull Rush to make each push back provoke, but I'm not sure it's worth it. [s]You see, Shield Slam doesn't use CMB, it uses your attack roll, so the bonuses from Improved and Greater are worthless.[/s] Further, even if he uses two one-handed weapons (the heavy shields), my understanding is that Power Attack would still only be +1 damage on the "off-hand." Which...IMO isn't worth it unless I'm having a major problem with someone's DR. So, I'm not sure 3 feats just to make it provoke is worth it. It'd help if I knew the party make-up, like if we have a battlefield control mage then just knocking people into "the suck" is probably a viable enough contribution to the party, for example. Also not sure of race. I really really like dwarf, but str is the most important stat and I need to actually qualify for the TWF line, so high dex is unfortunately also important. Not sure I can afford a race that doesn't boost either of those. So, maybe Tengu or Oread instead? Or Human, but I try to avoid playing humans whenever possible. Finally, I'm not sure what I should do after Ranger 6. Ranger 10 I can get Bashing Finish which isn't bad. But I'd be open to a prestige class or multiclass if it can give me some new combat options, too. Does anyone recommend a Ranger archetype? It seems like Guide or normal Ranger is the best for my concept. Thanks for your help. UPDATE: Based upon common sense and what's been said on the matter on paizo's forums, I've come to the conclusion that you do, in fact, get Improved/Greater Bull Rush's bonuses on Shield Slam. [/QUOTE]

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