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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5871404" data-attributes="member: 35909">My understanding is you can enhance the shield as both a shield/armor and as a shield/weapon.&nbsp; If you get shield spikes, it isn't clearly stated, but I've always assumed the spikes (which are still part of the shield, not technically their own &quot;item&quot;) recieve any of the weapon enhancements and it overrides shield stats to be a piercing weapon that you can still bash with.&nbsp; So, you could apply the keen enhancement to a spiked shield, for instance.Bashing is strange, it's an AC enhancement that boosts weapon properties.&nbsp; Since the spikes are still part of the shield, and ANY shield can already be dual-enhanced, I see no reason why bashing would not stack with spikes, and the rules certainly say nothing to prevent it.&nbsp; RAW of course, you could not use the effective +1 from bashing, you would have to actually pay 2000 to give it a +1 weapon enhancement before advancing it further as a weapon.&nbsp; But it certainly is confusing.Skirmisher...I write it and trapper off generally, because the abilities are so weak.&nbsp; And even w/ only CL 3 and like 2 1st level spells...spellcasting is useful.&nbsp; That said, Upending Strike would be pretty helpful.&nbsp; Rattling Strike is so inferior to numerous other abilities (Enforcer if doing nonlethal, Cornugon Smash, later on Dreadful Carnage) that I wouldn't bother with it...&nbsp; If the DM allowed demoralize from intimidate to stack with it (RAW it stacks with nothing, iirc), it'd become much more valuable.Skirmisher might be useful, though.&nbsp; I still wouldn't dump wisdom...for one thing, Horizon Walker is one of the nice options to dive into after Ranger.&nbsp; And your tricks are still wis-based for times per day.&nbsp; Maybe keep wis at a 12, but not a true dump...EDIT: Surprise Shift is terribad compared to 3E items (which do it for low cost), but in PF-only extra 5 ft steps is worth a feat.&nbsp; Skill Sage might be useful, but can't see Ranger using any of the really powerful skills with it, other than Perception.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5871404, member: 35909"] My understanding is you can enhance the shield as both a shield/armor and as a shield/weapon. If you get shield spikes, it isn't clearly stated, but I've always assumed the spikes (which are still part of the shield, not technically their own "item") recieve any of the weapon enhancements and it overrides shield stats to be a piercing weapon that you can still bash with. So, you could apply the keen enhancement to a spiked shield, for instance. Bashing is strange, it's an AC enhancement that boosts weapon properties. Since the spikes are still part of the shield, and ANY shield can already be dual-enhanced, I see no reason why bashing would not stack with spikes, and the rules certainly say nothing to prevent it. RAW of course, you could not use the effective +1 from bashing, you would have to actually pay 2000 to give it a +1 weapon enhancement before advancing it further as a weapon. But it certainly is confusing. Skirmisher...I write it and trapper off generally, because the abilities are so weak. And even w/ only CL 3 and like 2 1st level spells...spellcasting is useful. That said, Upending Strike would be pretty helpful. Rattling Strike is so inferior to numerous other abilities (Enforcer if doing nonlethal, Cornugon Smash, later on Dreadful Carnage) that I wouldn't bother with it... If the DM allowed demoralize from intimidate to stack with it (RAW it stacks with nothing, iirc), it'd become much more valuable. Skirmisher might be useful, though. I still wouldn't dump wisdom...for one thing, Horizon Walker is one of the nice options to dive into after Ranger. And your tricks are still wis-based for times per day. Maybe keep wis at a 12, but not a true dump... EDIT: Surprise Shift is terribad compared to 3E items (which do it for low cost), but in PF-only extra 5 ft steps is worth a feat. Skill Sage might be useful, but can't see Ranger using any of the really powerful skills with it, other than Perception. [/QUOTE]

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