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<blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 1157025" data-attributes="member: 1622"><p>It does seem pretty powerful, until you realize that two handed wielding guys have spent three fewer feats, and get 2x power attack bonuses, plus they only have to buy one magic weapon vs. the dual wielder's two. And given that, for most fighter types, their weapon is the most expensive piece of equipment they own, that's a pretty big deal.</p><p></p><p>Now, here's the thing - the feat imposes a -4 to hit, so already the two handed fighter could be power attacking for -4/+8 and still have the same chance to hit.</p><p></p><p>Let's assume an 8th level fighter here, wielding a greatsword vs. wielding a pair of shortswords (you could go longsword & shortsword, but with specialization, the shortsword is better for the main hand as well, unless you want to spend 4 feats on focus/specialization, which a dual wielder *really* can't afford to do).</p><p></p><p>So, assume 16 strength to start, with a +2 magic item is 18 strength, for a nice, easy to calculate +4 strength bonus.</p><p></p><p>Greatsword is +2, shortswords are +2 and +1 (the 2000gp extra can be taken out of the dual wielder's AC... already he's down 1 damage and 1 AC).</p><p></p><p>(damage bonuses are specialization, magic, strength, power attack)</p><p>Greatsword wielder does 2d6+2+2+6+8 = 25 damage average with +11 to hit (8 + 2 + 1 + 4 - 4)</p><p></p><p>Dual wielder does 1d6 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 0 + 1d6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 = 20 damage on average with +11 and +10 to hit (8 + 2 (or 1) + 1 + 4 - 4)</p><p></p><p>Granted, without power attack, the dual wielder does 3 more damage, but the greatsword wielder has +4 to hit. Sounds pretty fair to me.</p><p></p><p>-The Souljourner</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Souljourner, post: 1157025, member: 1622"] It does seem pretty powerful, until you realize that two handed wielding guys have spent three fewer feats, and get 2x power attack bonuses, plus they only have to buy one magic weapon vs. the dual wielder's two. And given that, for most fighter types, their weapon is the most expensive piece of equipment they own, that's a pretty big deal. Now, here's the thing - the feat imposes a -4 to hit, so already the two handed fighter could be power attacking for -4/+8 and still have the same chance to hit. Let's assume an 8th level fighter here, wielding a greatsword vs. wielding a pair of shortswords (you could go longsword & shortsword, but with specialization, the shortsword is better for the main hand as well, unless you want to spend 4 feats on focus/specialization, which a dual wielder *really* can't afford to do). So, assume 16 strength to start, with a +2 magic item is 18 strength, for a nice, easy to calculate +4 strength bonus. Greatsword is +2, shortswords are +2 and +1 (the 2000gp extra can be taken out of the dual wielder's AC... already he's down 1 damage and 1 AC). (damage bonuses are specialization, magic, strength, power attack) Greatsword wielder does 2d6+2+2+6+8 = 25 damage average with +11 to hit (8 + 2 + 1 + 4 - 4) Dual wielder does 1d6 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 0 + 1d6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 = 20 damage on average with +11 and +10 to hit (8 + 2 (or 1) + 1 + 4 - 4) Granted, without power attack, the dual wielder does 3 more damage, but the greatsword wielder has +4 to hit. Sounds pretty fair to me. -The Souljourner [/QUOTE]
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