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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 6376776" data-attributes="member: 23484">Fair enough -- I misspoke: In the context of the shield mastery feat, which we are discussing, the shove isn't an attack that is associated with the player's action; it is the bonus action that arises because of another attack.We disagree about the intent of the rules; that's fine. Play what you like. But your syllogism here is flawed, because your conclusion does not follow from the minor premise. It is not the case that as a result of a a silence in the rules, your position must be the intended one. Don't need to. This isn't the argument anyone is making, so far as I can see. Realism or verisimilitude isn't the question, nor, if we were honest, is it ever in D&amp;D combat. If it were, I would let your SCA straw man go against my club-wielding or dagger-wielding straw man and we'd see who did the most damage to the other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kobold Stew, post: 6376776, member: 23484"] Fair enough -- I misspoke: [I]In the context of the shield mastery feat, which we are discussing,[/I] the shove isn't an attack [I]that is associated with the player's action; it is the bonus action that arises because of another attack[/I]. We disagree about the intent of the rules; that's fine. Play what you like. But your syllogism here is flawed, because your conclusion does not follow from the minor premise. It is not the case that as a result of a a silence in the rules, your position must be the intended one. Don't need to. This isn't the argument anyone is making, so far as I can see. Realism or verisimilitude isn't the question, nor, if we were honest, is it ever in D&D combat. If it were, I would let your SCA straw man go against my club-wielding or dagger-wielding straw man and we'd see who did the most damage to the other. [/QUOTE]

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