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Dual-Wielding and The Ranger, Part 2: On the Unappreciated Genius of Zeb
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8260820" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I am not nearly as convinced as you are. First of all, how monsters and how PCs work is unrelated. There's NOTHING in the DMG which says one way or the other, show me text that says a secondary weapon grants some certain number of attacks. Again, Deities and Demigods isn't speaking about PCs at all, none of the stat blocks there follow PC rules in any consistent way. It isn't in UA either, any more than it is in the DMG, in fact UA has nothing to say about TWF. I'm not finding anything in OA that is specific to TWF except the Kensai 7th level ability, which still doesn't explain number of attacks. I have never read Lankhmar. </p><p></p><p>As for the article by Roger Moore, not having gone and dug it out, I take your word for it that Roger interprets the rules that way. It isn't even that it is an illogical interpretation. It is just NOT THE ONLY ONE consistent with what is written. It isn't the only one that was prevalent during that time period. I guess we could consider Roger to have established a canonical rule? In general Dragon articles are merely optional rules, essentially homebrew. </p><p></p><p>So, I'm only disagreeing that we're able to say exactly what will happen if you wield 2 weapons. Even if you assume it grants another attack, you have no way based on any of these sources AFAIK to say if it is per round, per 'attack per round' or how it interacts with thrown weapons with higher rates of fire (with our without UA). All we know is that in 2e it grants an extra 1/2 of an attack/round in effect (even 2e is ambiguous about how this works for rogues from what I recall).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8260820, member: 82106"] I am not nearly as convinced as you are. First of all, how monsters and how PCs work is unrelated. There's NOTHING in the DMG which says one way or the other, show me text that says a secondary weapon grants some certain number of attacks. Again, Deities and Demigods isn't speaking about PCs at all, none of the stat blocks there follow PC rules in any consistent way. It isn't in UA either, any more than it is in the DMG, in fact UA has nothing to say about TWF. I'm not finding anything in OA that is specific to TWF except the Kensai 7th level ability, which still doesn't explain number of attacks. I have never read Lankhmar. As for the article by Roger Moore, not having gone and dug it out, I take your word for it that Roger interprets the rules that way. It isn't even that it is an illogical interpretation. It is just NOT THE ONLY ONE consistent with what is written. It isn't the only one that was prevalent during that time period. I guess we could consider Roger to have established a canonical rule? In general Dragon articles are merely optional rules, essentially homebrew. So, I'm only disagreeing that we're able to say exactly what will happen if you wield 2 weapons. Even if you assume it grants another attack, you have no way based on any of these sources AFAIK to say if it is per round, per 'attack per round' or how it interacts with thrown weapons with higher rates of fire (with our without UA). All we know is that in 2e it grants an extra 1/2 of an attack/round in effect (even 2e is ambiguous about how this works for rogues from what I recall). [/QUOTE]
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