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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 9469419" data-attributes="member: 6932123"><p>A minor detail on attack ordering that I didn't have in my original post:</p><p></p><p>The Light weapon rules do not mention attacking with the offhand weapon. I think this is deliberate. [USER=59057]@UngeheuerLich[/USER] already mentioned one use case that this helps with (getting Vex on the final attack), but I want to expand on it a little.</p><p></p><p>This ordering depends on having Extra Attack. It makes use of First Form dual wielding. It's primarily relevant when you are using the Dual Wielder feat.</p><p></p><p>Basically, the default assumption when dual wielding is that your mainhand weapon is used to trigger your offhand weapon attack as the Bonus Action attack (ignoring Nick). So if you were wielding a rapier + dagger, your mainhand would be the dagger so that you could use the Dual Wielder bonus attack with the rapier (a non-light weapon). This feels frustrating and awkward when trying to imagine it actually play out.</p><p></p><p>However the Light property rules do not specify the order of operations, or which hand has to trigger the extra attack. This means you can have the rapier in your main hand, and the dagger in your off hand, and it still works. What happens would be:</p><p></p><p>Attack 1: Rapier</p><p>Attack 2 (Extra Attack): Dagger; triggers Dual Wielder feature</p><p>Attack 3 (Bonus Action): Rapier</p><p></p><p>This way you get two attacks with the heavier weapon, rather than two attacks with the lighter weapon and one attack with the heavier weapon (as might be implied by a simple reading of the Dual Wielder feat).</p><p></p><p>This has potential further implications when combined with Nick, but I'm going to put that in a separate post.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 9469419, member: 6932123"] A minor detail on attack ordering that I didn't have in my original post: The Light weapon rules do not mention attacking with the offhand weapon. I think this is deliberate. [USER=59057]@UngeheuerLich[/USER] already mentioned one use case that this helps with (getting Vex on the final attack), but I want to expand on it a little. This ordering depends on having Extra Attack. It makes use of First Form dual wielding. It's primarily relevant when you are using the Dual Wielder feat. Basically, the default assumption when dual wielding is that your mainhand weapon is used to trigger your offhand weapon attack as the Bonus Action attack (ignoring Nick). So if you were wielding a rapier + dagger, your mainhand would be the dagger so that you could use the Dual Wielder bonus attack with the rapier (a non-light weapon). This feels frustrating and awkward when trying to imagine it actually play out. However the Light property rules do not specify the order of operations, or which hand has to trigger the extra attack. This means you can have the rapier in your main hand, and the dagger in your off hand, and it still works. What happens would be: Attack 1: Rapier Attack 2 (Extra Attack): Dagger; triggers Dual Wielder feature Attack 3 (Bonus Action): Rapier This way you get two attacks with the heavier weapon, rather than two attacks with the lighter weapon and one attack with the heavier weapon (as might be implied by a simple reading of the Dual Wielder feat). This has potential further implications when combined with Nick, but I'm going to put that in a separate post. [/QUOTE]
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