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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zlorf" data-source="post: 2836454" data-attributes="member: 7955">Charimsa 2Yes a rock thats me.Animated object has a chr of 1 (picture the animated candellabra)Ugliness seems to have nothing to do with Chrisma, just have a look though the MM and seewhat hideous beast have quite good or even excellent charisma.Funny people talk about min/max...i actually dont to be honest, though im not going to complete ignore the obvious adv/disadj of creating a certain type of character.  My other stats are with out the +2 con and -4 chr:16,9,13,12,13,14 compared with 15,6,13,8,17,13. Even if I dumped chr onto the 9, i would pretty much have the same character with better chr.Does a Duergar with higher chr say 10, have no problems walking into a town and sociallize with the locals..unlikely. The town guard would probably stop him in his tracks. I plan to be covered in a cloak, get people to buy stuff for me. i could stay out of town and pay someone to buy stuff for me .if i could persude them in the first place. I would kill them when they returned..or go after them if they didnt <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But i agree with most the 2 chr would be hard to pull off.CheerZlorf</blockquote>