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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Razz" data-source="post: 3437857" data-attributes="member: 3014">I agree with the right information being present to back up the klurichir's power over the balor. I just feel it's silly to downgrade a demon just because of a bias towards wanting the balor to be the mightiest demon in D&D. The only reason it got pegged down to CR 17 was because it's ability scores as present in Fiend Folio were much lower than the balor's in the 3.5 Monster Manual. And the fact it's abilities were out of whack. Some were CR 15, some CR 17 worthy, others CR 20, and others CR 25 worthy. I agree it needs fixing, but not an overhaul. I like the vorpal pincers, four arms, 10th-level sorceror spells, it's vast array of spell-like abilities, and I'd like the revision to give it an outrageous set of ability scores to rival, if not exceed, that of a balor.Pretty much, I'd like to see the klurichir revised but remain a CR 25 creature. Balors are overdone and overrated, personally. And, again, I think they should be revised with no bias as James has shown with the balor.It's D&D and D&D has a myriad of possibilities and, with the way the Abyss works, I really think it fits the scope of the Abyss churning out a demon that rivals the balor. There are a few similarities with the klurichir and the molydeus but the two differ vastly in ability and strengths. It could even be that the klurichir is a more higher and powerful form of the molydeus.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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