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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3438051" data-attributes="member: 11697">In response to that I should add one thing to what I said earlier. I don't have a problem with the Abyss fomenting the creation of a class of demons more powerful than balors, but I do have a problem with the creation of groups of tanar'ri more powerful than balors. Other "species" of demons, be they obyriths, loumara, elder species of varrangoin, subtypes of bebeliths, etc might very well have castes that rival or exceed the power of balor tanar'ri, but they belong to different ecologies, have different origins, behave by different rules of promotion/advancement, etc. If the klurichir is a tanar'ri, it should operate within the paradoxical "rules" that the tanar'ri castes evolve within. The balor as the highest rank of non-unique tanar'ri is firmly enmeshed there either by the process of tanar'ri metaphysical evolution within the Abyss, or perhaps even something written into their basic core substance by their Obyrith creators or their native plane. Something breaking that needs to have a majorly awsome backstory to justify it (which the klurichir's milligram or two of flavor text lacks) or it needs to be something that isn't a tanar'ri.And that's just the arguments based on in-game flavor, much less as James said, the desire to adhere to the balor's decades of tradition as the most powerful unique tanar'ri.</blockquote>