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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Razz" data-source="post: 3438122" data-attributes="member: 3014">If not a tougher than demon than the balor, what's wrong with a rival demon? I can understand the viewpoint at dropping it from CR 25 down so that the balor can remain the top demon, but would it hurt the balor to have a rival and to give DMs an alternative to the balor for their campaigns?So what exactly is going to be nerfed with the updated Klurichir since there's no compromising? It's ability scores? Spell-like abilities? Spellcasting? Special attacks? What attracted me to the klurichir was just that: it was bigger, badder and different from the balor. If tradition is what's going to kill it, then I hope it's abilities are only minimally nerfed and the flavor of the klurichir isn't destroyed. I can see some spell-like abilities getting knocked and probably it's spellcasting, but the poison, vorpal pincers, multiattacks, and other things I hope stay and its ability scores get beefed up. Might I suggest it as a CR 18 creature then? Maybe 19 so that it can be an alternative/equal/rival to the molydeus? I don't see how that would cause any problems. I'd just hate to see such an awesome creature get pegged too low of a CR 17 and I am worried that for you guys to keep it at CR 17 you'll nerf the things I loved about it. Personally, I don't mind balors. But the umpteenth balor in the multiple campaigns I DM with my players starts to bore all of us and the klurichir I took a liking to at first sight because it was an alternative and a powerful one at that.I might be the only one feeling this way with the klurichir, but I am sure many others loved the demon and use it or wanted to use it...but the mechanics of it in Fiend Folio were lopsided so it got the short end of the stick with most players.</blockquote>

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