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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TimSmith" data-source="post: 925722" data-attributes="member: 10322">Worldwide brotherhood of gamersI've just come across this fascinating thread. Its really nice to see that everyone is getting constructive at last and also that the folks at Paizo are obviously reading and taking notice.What disappointed me was the amount of personal animosity some people displayed towards Paizo and Johnny Wilson in particular. (I don't mean those who are zealously defending their Dungeon from changes they don't like by making their views known-that's fair enough. I mean those who got personal)If we step back and think about this for a minute, these guys are part of OUR gang! One of the lads (or lasses). Part of the same crowd as ourselves, who love D&D etc. Is anyone seriously suggesting that they don't care about Dungeon? That they are just out to make a quick profit and to the Abyss with the rest of us? Of course they aren't. They are doing the best they can with a difficult situation. This may well explain why Johnny gets a bit sensitive to the criticism and reacts the way he does. FWIW I emailed Johnny (politely) some time back about why we in Britain (and Europe) were not getting our subs at all- he emailed me straight back in a polite and informative manner. Maybe Johnny made a mistake in casting himself in the role of Mark Antony in his post. Mark Antony was the master orator, manipulating his audience like a weapon. I reckon Johnny is more Brutus, honourably struggling with his conscience over the evil he feels he must do for the good of the community, but knowing and fearing that he will be villified for it. And he's not as good with the crowd as Brutus was, either, and look what happened to him<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Erik certainly improved the mood on this thread with his post and good on him. Surely its pretty clear that Paizo are listening now and the quality of some of the suggestions is really high since that post.From my point of view, I was one of the ones who didn't like getting Poly with my Dungeon, BUT I don't mind it if its the price of keeping the mags alive (that goes for Poly too, even though its not my cup of earl grey). I do find Poly at least slightly interesting, and as someone else said we won't really use everything in Dungeon, but we still enjoy reading it. I like the format and the colour (although I agree that these things can be a pain compared to the old style copiable format). My main concern with the current direction  of Dungeon is, as many people have already said, that the Dungeon part seems to be getting squeezed by the poly part. Don't mind SOME Poly, but don't want SO MUCH Poly (unless the Dungeon bit gets bigger as well). As for advertising space, get as much as you can if we still get decent amounts of Dungeon material. If we could have the maps either as inserts or on the reverse side of an advert page that would be great too.I have just taken out a subscription with the UK distributor for paizo (<a href="http://www.theplaceforgames.com" target="_blank">www.theplaceforgames.com</a> if any Brits are interested) as I for one am prepared to give Johnny et al the benefit of the doubt. Just remember, if we all voted with our wallets before giving them every chance, then we wouldn't have a magazine left for them to improve.</blockquote>

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