Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9842948" data-attributes="member: 7026594">I think, as I already said, that there's room for nuance.  As Voadam pointed out and eloquently illustrated, for example.OTOH there are obvious edge cases.  If someone enthusiastically recommends that their friends read <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries" target="_blank">The Turner Diaries</a>, or Barker's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent%27s_Walk" target="_blank">Serpent's Walk</a>, without any caveats about these being white supremacist or Nazi documents, I think we all would be right in looking askance at that person and inferring that their motives or worldview are perverse and antisocial, barring other solid evidence to the contrary.In the gaming world we rarely get as obvious instances as <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-full-glorious-history-of-nutsr.684697/" target="_blank">NuTSR's Star Frontiers: New Genesis</a> or Varg Vikernes' <a href="https://www.killscreen.com/how-many-ways-varg-vikernes-white-supremacist-game-worst-let-us-enumerate/" target="_blank">Myfarog </a>explicitly encoding and endorsing white supremacist concepts in the text.  Not all WS or otherwise anti-egalitarian writers so explicitly put their odious beliefs into their work. Other writers are more subtle, and leave more room for doubt or plausible deniability.The degree to which any given person feels a desire not to share and endorse work by creators who hold and promulgate repugnant beliefs but don't explicitly put them into their games is up to the conscience of the individual.Of course it's also a spectrum, with SF:NG and Myfarog at one end, games with no messages of bigotry showing in them at the other, and ones which might more subtly signal opposition to civil and human rights somewhere in the middle.  Ones that whitewash the Confederacy, say. Promulgating <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy" target="_blank">Lost Cause</a> propaganda, for instance."Who gets to determine"?  We all do.  And I would argue that we each have a responsibility to.  Different people will naturally make varying choices according to their own moral compasses. But just as onlookers will judge if we see a person steal or lie or abuse a helpless person, we may understandably note when a person endorses the work of someone like Varg or Dave Johnson or even Macris without any caveats.  Before this thread I was unaware that Goodman had <a href="https://rpggeek.com/rpg/3927/dinosaur-planet-broncosaurus-rex-role-playing-game" target="_blank">published a game</a> which puts Confederates (in space) on an equal moral footing with the Union (in space), and has the players start in the friendly spaceport of New Savannah, where space pioneers embark on a Westward Expansion for adventures in colonial conquest. That kind of triggers my ick, I have to admit. And it contextualizes their choice to work with an outspoken WS and to lie about the arrangement a little differently. It makes me a little less likely to give Goodman the benefit of the doubt.</blockquote>

Verification