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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6301197" data-attributes="member: 1210">He may be using xp to figure the level of the swarm, e.g. "12 level 1 goblins are worth 1200 xp... a 1200 xp monster would be a level 15 standard or a level 11 elite."I've been doing a lot of monster-as-swarm work in my epic game lately. I am unaware of any real standard for doing the conversion, but I'll vouch for the technique's utility. Instead of choosing a number of bad guys that the swarm represents, though, I'll usually go, "What level do I want this to be? ...now, how many individuals/what size swarm should this be?"Let me give the example of a formation of hobgoblin warriors statted up as a swarm. Hobgoblins are heroic level monsters; to use them in an epic game, I'd picture the party of six 25th level pcs fighting off armies of hobgoblins. So let's say I want a huge mass of bad guys- I might use multiple swarms as normal 25th level swarms, call them Gargantuan sized and state that each 4x4 mass represents about 25 hobgoblins (I usually picture a swarm as tightly packed in formation in this kind of case and figure that they can fit more than the normal one-per-square number of individuals in their space). I'd also probably have each swarm, upon being destroyed, produce a few minions as last survivors.</blockquote>