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<blockquote data-quote="Endur" data-source="post: 833857" data-attributes="member: 3346">Keep in mind, by vile material I like about half of what has been published in the BOVD, dragon, and dungeon.&nbsp; The other half was &quot;over the top&quot; gratuitous yuck.For instance, the Dragon &quot;Vile&quot; sealed section was a complete waste in my opinion.&nbsp; I didn't find anything interesting in there nor will I ever use any of those materials nor did I even find it to be &quot;adult&quot; content.In contrast, the Living Greyhawk section on the Vault of the Drow was much more mature and wasn't sealed and is something I will actually use in the future.In the recent George RR Martin story, some of the pseudo-pirates were using &quot;swear&quot; words -- it wasn't overdone, but it was appropriate to the story.&nbsp; If Dragon had an article on how a GM could role-play a &quot;Pirate&quot; and it included manerisms and swear words, I would think that would be appropriate material.The vile material that was in Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil (Demonic grafts, etc.) made perfect sense in context.About half of the vile content in the Dungeon sealed section made sense for the story, the other half was just thrown in because the author wanted to use as much content from the BOVD as possible.&nbsp; I had no objections to most of the content in BOVD, especially since the whole work was clearly labeled mature.&nbsp; Some of the spells were a little over the top in their graphic descriptions, and some of the black/white drawings at the beginnings of the chapters were intense.&nbsp; People talk about White Wolf and the World of Darkness.&nbsp; But please remember that even when players play a creature of darkness (vampire, were-wolf, etc.) in White Wolf, they generally aren't playing a Chaotic Evil creature.&nbsp; Instead, they are playing a character who has this terrible curse and they are trying to survive and find an escape from the terrible curse.&nbsp; Almost like playing a D&amp;D lycanthrope afflicted character, who knows that he will change on the nights of the full moon and begs his companions to restrain him so that he can't injure anyone.Tom</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Endur, post: 833857, member: 3346"] Keep in mind, by vile material I like about half of what has been published in the BOVD, dragon, and dungeon. The other half was "over the top" gratuitous yuck. For instance, the Dragon "Vile" sealed section was a complete waste in my opinion. I didn't find anything interesting in there nor will I ever use any of those materials nor did I even find it to be "adult" content. In contrast, the Living Greyhawk section on the Vault of the Drow was much more mature and wasn't sealed and is something I will actually use in the future. In the recent George RR Martin story, some of the pseudo-pirates were using "swear" words -- it wasn't overdone, but it was appropriate to the story. If Dragon had an article on how a GM could role-play a "Pirate" and it included manerisms and swear words, I would think that would be appropriate material. The vile material that was in Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil (Demonic grafts, etc.) made perfect sense in context. About half of the vile content in the Dungeon sealed section made sense for the story, the other half was just thrown in because the author wanted to use as much content from the BOVD as possible. I had no objections to most of the content in BOVD, especially since the whole work was clearly labeled mature. Some of the spells were a little over the top in their graphic descriptions, and some of the black/white drawings at the beginnings of the chapters were intense. People talk about White Wolf and the World of Darkness. But please remember that even when players play a creature of darkness (vampire, were-wolf, etc.) in White Wolf, they generally aren't playing a Chaotic Evil creature. Instead, they are playing a character who has this terrible curse and they are trying to survive and find an escape from the terrible curse. Almost like playing a D&D lycanthrope afflicted character, who knows that he will change on the nights of the full moon and begs his companions to restrain him so that he can't injure anyone. Tom [/QUOTE]

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