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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kenjib" data-source="post: 836168" data-attributes="member: 530">On the mmadsen scale:# "Vile" material should be kept out of the core D&D books.# "Vile" material should be kept out of popular D&D supplements and magazines.This move would move the magazine toward being unreadable by many younger fans of D&D just so fans of "mature" material can get extra boobs and gore.  In addition, most parents wouldn't associate this kind of content with D&D (a game which in the public sphere has a strong reputation as being for kids) and might not know what their kid is reading.  I think a second "Black Dragon" magazine would be a gread idea.  They can make it quarterly and Avalanche Press can do the art direction.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Looking back at my first experiences with D&D, I think it's kind of sad that some people want a market that is less inclusive of younger audiences.  Yes, there is a distinct difference between levels of depiction -- a module where an act of depravity is suggested versus content where it is codified, described in graphic detail, and procedures provided for every aspect thereof.  Even the nature of some of the specific acts really goes beyond the examples of mature themes in 1e (which I would argue really do show maturity in how they were handled -- i.e. included as a normal part of the adventure instead of highlighted and exaggerated for shock/shlock value).And for the record I am far from conservative, so the stereotypes being bandied about do not apply.  Myself, I just think that the vile content published so far shows clearly that WotC does not exhibit the level of sophistication required to print the type of mature material that would interest me.  I think their coverage has been trite and frankly, juvenile in it's lack of exploration of the true issues at hand in favor of a simple cataloging of every imaginable depravity without almost no context.  It is also exaggerated to the point of being comical, which is not my taste for such material.  I think it exhibits a lack of good taste.  I have nothing against it being published though, because it was done in a different context than Dragon/Dungeon, in which the pages are shared with more general use material.I do think that the themes, handled appropriately, make good content for games though.  It's all about presentation and context, which I have found sadly lacking so far.  I think shadow's allusion to Beavis and Butthead is very apt.</blockquote>

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