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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brown Jenkin" data-source="post: 840275" data-attributes="member: 2572">I was first intoduced to the game at 9 and started playing regularly by 13. At 13 I never saw any of those movies (although I have now, many are great movies) nor subscribed to Heavy Metal or Epic, I had read the LotR but not Lovecraft. My parents wouldn't let me see such things at that age. They looked over the D&D stuff that I bought which was OD&D and were fine with it. If some of the "Vile" stuff had been included then I'm sure they would not have let me play. The point is everyone grew up with different standards and if the game had been "Vile" then there is a posibility I would not be playing today as I would have been forced to find other creative outlets. My first game was heroic fantansy of killing monsters not dark bakstabing, but everyone has thier own story.It is not an either or situation. There is a wide scale of what parents find acceptable for children or not. Why not make the core products as friendly as possible to as many people on the scale. As I said I was a borderline case, and if D&D was more "Vile" at that time I might not be gaming. The BoVD goes beyond what I find acceptable for children. Personally I would be fine if the Succubus was moved from the MM to the FF. One thing to note though is that in the Core books these ideas are not graphicaly described. Except for a couple of monsters in the MM there is nothing in the core books that is particularly "Vile" or "Mature" and even then it is not graphic. Sure killing is part of D&D but it is not graphic as it uses an abstract called HPs. Its not like Rolemaster with its descriptive critical charts. The concept of killing I don't think is a problem as even before video games kids played cowboys and indians. I think it is more a question of how graphic that depiction is in its effects on kids. The way I like to play D&D was/is always more cartoon vilonce rather than Hellraiser violence to me. This does not mean that I object to myself and others playing more graphicly if we choose, but that I don't want this forced upon me as part of the basic rules.As I have said, I am not "sneering" at the BoVD or mature content. I have bought it and will continue to purchace mature products in the future. This does not mean that I can't object to it in core products or Dragon/Dungeon. I want to be able to introduce my children or nephews and neices to this game as soon as they are able to participate, not to have to wait until they are emotionaly ready to handle mature themes.</blockquote>

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