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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PatrickLawinger" data-source="post: 841272" data-attributes="member: 2735">Wow, "vile" vs "non-vile" whatever in the hell you guys are defining into these categories is certainly creating an uproar.I don't care if WotC creates "vile" material for specific books. If it sells, go for it. I do care if Dungeon and Dragon use "vile" (by my definition, see below) material. Why? I have an extremely bright 7-year old boy that loves to see and read some of the books I read and is interested in what his papa does (I write some d20 material). I used to let him read Dragon and Dungeon if he wanted to. I have no problems letting him read the PHB, most of my d20 material, the DMG, MM, MM2, etc. Lately, I don't even leave Dungeon or Dragon out. Lately,some of the articles, commentary, artwork, and even letters to the editor are simply inappropriate for a 7 year-old, no matter how bright he might be.Do I care if Dungeon and Dragon "go vile?" Not particularily. Both magazines have slowly been getting less and less useful to me. If they add more "vile" material the usefulness will simply go down to the point that I simply won't renew. I am generally unimpressed with both magazines the past few months. Dungeon might be coming around, but I haven't used anything from Dragon for months. "Vile." What is "vile?" All of you have such varied definitions. I am not a "prude" but I see discussions of rape, dismemberment, use of "living intestines" as spell components, and the like as simply beyond any reasonable use in a game. This is supposed to be a game about fantasies and a break from "real-life." If this is what you fantasize about then someone has a problem. Can the "bad-guys" do these things? Sure, but who needs a detailed description? Good god, who needs artwork depicting tortured, live human being with his intestines spilled all over the floor?These comments come from somebody that recently completed work on a revision of City State of the Invincible Overlord for Necromancer Games. That revision includes rules for slavery, interrogation, and torture. These things might be considered "vile" by many people, but I don't consider them so "vile" that they can't be a reasonable part of a game, specially in a lawful evil city.The context of your group is going to determine lots of things. I happen to be a father with small children. Our last gaming session had a total of 6 children running around in my house. I don't need cursing, discussion of rape, descriptions of dismemberment, etc. in a family environment. Sorry, don't want it, don't need it, don't have any interest in it whatsoever.If you want it, fine. I am happy to let you buy whatever books you want (I thought BoVD had horrid rules gaffs, but who cares). If your demand for this material gets Dungeon and Dragon to include various "vile" themes, great, good for you. Those magazines will simply lose me as a subscriber. Personally, I would prefer the material stays out of the magazine rack.My opinions are my own, they do not reflect the opinions of any company or person I have worked for.</blockquote>

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