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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6309586" data-attributes="member: 87792">They are.  I enjoy both at different times.Vincent Baker, who was running the Forge at the end, has come out with the most immersive tabletop games I've ever played.  No hovering above the table.  The Story Game approach is "Decide what you want out of a game, then design a game that aids that playstyle".  Luke Crane also came out of the Forge - and his Torchbearer (based on his Burning Wheel engine) is all about logistics-heavy dungeon crawling where light, weight, and supplies are important.[Citation needed]I have never seen this claimed before anywhere.  And I do not believe it is true.  It is true that Mearls was a poster at The Forge - <a href="http://indie-rpgs.com/archive/index.php?topic=11686.5" target="_blank">but his total post count was 46</a>.  Hardly the post count of a founder member who had much to do with the community.Where are you getting your information about The Forge and Storygames?  Because it is in direct conflict with what I read from The Forge, and what I see when I play games that grew out of the Forge.What you call Forge Theory - GNS and The Big Model are about why we play.  What our objectives and motivations are. And that is a big part of the theory of games.  It's just at the philosophical rather than mathematical level.</blockquote>