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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9593754" data-attributes="member: 63508">Much like Metals said 4e focused too much on a subset of potential fans, 5e overly focused on a subset of potential fans<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">4 PCs</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Only playing D&amp;D stereotypes</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">No optimization outside of playing stereotypes</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">No magic items</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">0-1 class with healing</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Casters only use damage and heal magic (Did we not learn from 3e)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">No tactics</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Assume everyone but the DM is too drunk, high, tired, unserious, or boisterous to plan</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Only dungeon delving</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">No serious nods to modern media fantasy</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Boring sack of HP monsters</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Still running goblins and orc at level 11+</li>
</ol>A game for 5 50-60 year old dudes to play on Saturday or after work over some beers and pretzels.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9593754, member: 63508"] Much like Metals said 4e focused too much on a subset of potential fans, 5e overly focused on a subset of potential fans [LIST=1] [*]4 PCs [*]Only playing D&D stereotypes [*]No optimization outside of playing stereotypes [*]No magic items [*]0-1 class with healing [*]Casters only use damage and heal magic (Did we not learn from 3e) [*]No tactics [*]Assume everyone but the DM is too drunk, high, tired, unserious, or boisterous to plan [*]Only dungeon delving [*]No serious nods to modern media fantasy [*]Boring sack of HP monsters [*]Still running goblins and orc at level 11+ [/LIST] A game for 5 50-60 year old dudes to play on Saturday or after work over some beers and pretzels. [/QUOTE]

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