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<blockquote data-quote="Tigris" data-source="post: 9594223" data-attributes="member: 7043270">Jonathan Tweet was the lead designer of D&amp;D 3E and not involved in 4E so what he says has absolutly no relevance either and its clear that he does like his baby better.Also the Art in 4E looks like Magic the Gathering art. As in it has the same artists and same artstyle. Again this may look similar to WoW, but this has to do with WoW, like MANY MANY games is inspired by Magic the Gathering.Also instead of embaracing yourself by posting wrong things why not read the post I linked? In the video I linked Andy Collins specifically states that the roles come directly from organized play from D&amp;D.It is not that specialization is only shown in WoW. There are Jobroles, there are roles in soccer etc. everything teambased works better with specialized roles.Also again if you would read my post, and try to understand the gamedesign behind, it is pretty easy to see that cooldowns (WoW) and refresh per encounter and per day (which btw. is how spells worked in D&amp;D before as well. Vancian Spellcasting is daily spells) is mechanically not the same as cooldowns.&nbsp; The trick is to try to not only look at the superficial &quot;oh both limit how often you can do something&quot;, but what gameplay is created by the mechanic.Then maybe check a bit deeper? Like the interview I posted? Which clearly states that in the beginning only 3 people were involved. James Wyatt, Andy Collins and Rob Heinso.The flywheel team started later (the 9 months I mentioned). And in the first player handbook of D&amp;D 4E you can see that Mike Mearls was NOT a designer but developer. This can also be read in the book <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_Presents:_Races_and_Classes" target="_blank">Wizards Presents: Races and Classes - Wikipedia</a> which clearly states that 4E development started early 2005 and mearls joinsed in october in the development process.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tigris, post: 9594223, member: 7043270"] Jonathan Tweet was the lead designer of D&D 3E and not involved in 4E so what he says has absolutly no relevance either and its clear that he does like his baby better. Also the Art in 4E looks like Magic the Gathering art. As in it has the same artists and same artstyle. Again this may look similar to WoW, but this has to do with WoW, like MANY MANY games is inspired by Magic the Gathering. Also instead of embaracing yourself by posting wrong things why not read the post I linked? In the video I linked Andy Collins specifically states that the roles come directly from organized play from D&D. It is not that specialization is only shown in WoW. There are Jobroles, there are roles in soccer etc. everything teambased works better with specialized roles. Also again if you would read my post, and try to understand the gamedesign behind, it is pretty easy to see that cooldowns (WoW) and refresh per encounter and per day (which btw. is how spells worked in D&D before as well. Vancian Spellcasting is daily spells) is mechanically not the same as cooldowns. The trick is to try to not only look at the superficial "oh both limit how often you can do something", but what gameplay is created by the mechanic. Then maybe check a bit deeper? Like the interview I posted? Which clearly states that in the beginning only 3 people were involved. James Wyatt, Andy Collins and Rob Heinso. The flywheel team started later (the 9 months I mentioned). And in the first player handbook of D&D 4E you can see that Mike Mearls was NOT a designer but developer. This can also be read in the book [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_Presents:_Races_and_Classes"]Wizards Presents: Races and Classes - Wikipedia[/URL] which clearly states that 4E development started early 2005 and mearls joinsed in october in the development process. [/QUOTE]

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