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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 7826550" data-attributes="member: 6677017">Okay, that's a good analysis. I like it. I guess the point I would still have about that level range is that I'm not sure the AC boost makes up for what I see as the Lore Bard's still superior features. They get a additional spell up to third level from anywhere (haste, hex, fireball, whatever awesome option you want). They get extra skill proficiencies, which are always nice, and they get Cutting Words. Outside of the armor bonuses, the Valor Bard gets martial weapon proficiency (which we both think they are better served overall by not using) and Combat Inspiration. Adding Bardic Inspiration to damage feels completely underwhelming compared to other uses. The ability to add it to your AC is great, but it's only a little better than Lore Bard's Cutting Words, which can effectively do the same thing for you if they are within 60' of you (though they can't do it for more than one person a round). I'll admit that Combat Inspiration is better than I recall (I had somehow forgotten the second option). I still think the Lore Bard package is by far superior in that range. Valor Bard is awesome once they get Battle Magic at 14th level, but I'd rather have a more satisfying road getting there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 7826550, member: 6677017"] Okay, that's a good analysis. I like it. I guess the point I would still have about that level range is that I'm not sure the AC boost makes up for what I see as the Lore Bard's still superior features. They get a additional spell up to third level from anywhere ([I]haste[/I], [I]hex,[/I] [I]fireball[/I], whatever awesome option you want). They get extra skill proficiencies, which are always nice, and they get Cutting Words. Outside of the armor bonuses, the Valor Bard gets martial weapon proficiency (which we both think they are better served overall by not using) and Combat Inspiration. Adding Bardic Inspiration to damage feels completely underwhelming compared to other uses. The ability to add it to your AC is great, but it's only a little better than Lore Bard's Cutting Words, which can effectively do the same thing for you if they are within 60' of you (though they can't do it for more than one person a round). I'll admit that Combat Inspiration is better than I recall (I had somehow forgotten the second option). I still think the Lore Bard package is by far superior in that range. Valor Bard is awesome once they get Battle Magic at 14th level, but I'd rather have a more satisfying road getting there. [/QUOTE]

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