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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7075323" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p>Hi everyone.</p><p></p><p>A while back, I sat down and tried to make a "run" ability in the Athletics skill to allow players to push themselves further than the 5E rules allow; for charging (I dislike that you need a feat to charge), or simply to get away. 3E had a run action, but it was absent in 4E and now in 5E. In another thread, someone brought up weight lifting, so I'm curious what info people could bring to bear on the capabilities of Olympians (the athletes, not Greek Gods) vs. D&D characters. I'd also like to discuss house rules to make these feats possible (possibly with feats, possibly with skill checks).</p><p></p><p>I'll start with two easy ones. Also, please don't let this turn into a sex/gender based ability score adjustment thread.</p><p></p><p><strong>Carrying Capacity</strong></p><p></p><p>Over Head Lift</p><p>In D&D5, your carrying capacity is Str x 15 lbs. In 3E, heavy load was also defined as the max amount you could lift over your head. The clean and jerk world record is about 580 lbs. That would require a human with a Str of 38, or a Goliath with a Str of 20. I don't like that this would have to be done with another race, and I'm perfectly willing for Goliaths to absolutely destroy human characters in this category.</p><p></p><p>Lift off the Ground</p><p>In D&D5, you can lift Str x 30 lbs off the ground and still move (at 5 ft per round). I couldn't figure out how to search for this kind of thing specifically, but the deadlift record is about 1014 lbs, which would require a human with a Str of 34, or a Goliath with a Str of 17.</p><p></p><p>Suggestion?: I think carrying capacity should use an exponential growth. I recommend picking a reasonable number for a Str 10 character (100 lbs? Has anyone done a study on this? Livestrong says "the average untrained man can squat 125 pounds, bench press 135 pounds and deadlift 155 pounds."; going off the above ratio, that would be 90ish for "over the head", so 100 doesn't sound too bad). Then I'd use our good old friend, the square root of 2 (1.41) per modifier, or square root of the square root of 2 per stat (1.19). That gets ...</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="width: 500"]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Str[/TD]</p><p>[TD]Heavy Load[/TD]</p><p>[TD]Rounded nearest 5[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]3[/TD]</p><p>[TD]30[/TD]</p><p>[TD]30[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]4[/TD]</p><p>[TD]35[/TD]</p><p>[TD]35[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]5[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[TD]40[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]50[/TD]</p><p>[TD]50[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]7[/TD]</p><p>[TD]59[/TD]</p><p>[TD]60[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]8[/TD]</p><p>[TD]71[/TD]</p><p>[TD]70[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]9[/TD]</p><p>[TD]84[/TD]</p><p>[TD]85[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]10[/TD]</p><p>[TD]100[/TD]</p><p>[TD]100[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]11[/TD]</p><p>[TD]119[/TD]</p><p>[TD]120[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]12[/TD]</p><p>[TD]141[/TD]</p><p>[TD]140[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]13[/TD]</p><p>[TD]168[/TD]</p><p>[TD]170[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]14[/TD]</p><p>[TD]200[/TD]</p><p>[TD]200[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]15[/TD]</p><p>[TD]238[/TD]</p><p>[TD]240[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]16[/TD]</p><p>[TD]283[/TD]</p><p>[TD]285[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]17[/TD]</p><p>[TD]336[/TD]</p><p>[TD]335[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]18[/TD]</p><p>[TD]400[/TD]</p><p>[TD]400[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]19[/TD]</p><p>[TD]476[/TD]</p><p>[TD]475[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]20[/TD]</p><p>[TD]566[/TD]</p><p>[TD]565[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]21[/TD]</p><p>[TD]673[/TD]</p><p>[TD]675[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]22[/TD]</p><p>[TD]800[/TD]</p><p>[TD]800[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]23[/TD]</p><p>[TD]951[/TD]</p><p>[TD]950[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]24[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1131[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1130[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]25[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1345[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1345[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]26[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1600[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1600[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]27[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1903[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1905[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]28[/TD]</p><p>[TD]2263[/TD]</p><p>[TD]2265[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]29[/TD]</p><p>[TD]2691[/TD]</p><p>[TD]2690[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]30[/TD]</p><p>[TD]3200[/TD]</p><p>[TD]3200[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[/TABLE]</p><p></p><p>That would place the current Olympic clean and jerk record within the reach of Str 20; maybe an Athletics check could exist to push it just a little further (nothing as extreme as doubling). The deadlift record would be doable with Str 20 too.</p><p></p><p>--------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Running</strong></p><p></p><p>5E currently lacks a running rule. 4E had a subpar running rule. 3E had what I consider to be a good running rule; the run action was full round for x4 speed and you lost your Dex to AC. I'd say a 5E run would be x4 speed and grant advantage on attacks against you; but even that's weird. Don't you run to make you a harder target to hit?</p><p></p><p>Either way, Usain Bolt has the current 100 meter dash record at 9.58 seconds; that's close enough to a round for me (and a level of exhaustion maybe). I'd have to look at longer runs to figure out sustained, but for now, here's what that looks like.</p><p></p><p>100 meters in 9.58 secons works out to 62.63 meters in a round, or 205 feet. A monk or rogue (or anyone else who can double dash) would need a 70 foot speed to do this. A run ability would allow it with a 35 foot speed.</p><p></p><p>-----------</p><p></p><p>I'm curious about other world records. How what are long distance walking records? Jogging records? How long can real people go without breathing, drinking water, or eating?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7075323, member: 57494"] Hi everyone. A while back, I sat down and tried to make a "run" ability in the Athletics skill to allow players to push themselves further than the 5E rules allow; for charging (I dislike that you need a feat to charge), or simply to get away. 3E had a run action, but it was absent in 4E and now in 5E. In another thread, someone brought up weight lifting, so I'm curious what info people could bring to bear on the capabilities of Olympians (the athletes, not Greek Gods) vs. D&D characters. I'd also like to discuss house rules to make these feats possible (possibly with feats, possibly with skill checks). I'll start with two easy ones. Also, please don't let this turn into a sex/gender based ability score adjustment thread. [b]Carrying Capacity[/b] Over Head Lift In D&D5, your carrying capacity is Str x 15 lbs. In 3E, heavy load was also defined as the max amount you could lift over your head. The clean and jerk world record is about 580 lbs. That would require a human with a Str of 38, or a Goliath with a Str of 20. I don't like that this would have to be done with another race, and I'm perfectly willing for Goliaths to absolutely destroy human characters in this category. Lift off the Ground In D&D5, you can lift Str x 30 lbs off the ground and still move (at 5 ft per round). I couldn't figure out how to search for this kind of thing specifically, but the deadlift record is about 1014 lbs, which would require a human with a Str of 34, or a Goliath with a Str of 17. Suggestion?: I think carrying capacity should use an exponential growth. I recommend picking a reasonable number for a Str 10 character (100 lbs? Has anyone done a study on this? Livestrong says "the average untrained man can squat 125 pounds, bench press 135 pounds and deadlift 155 pounds."; going off the above ratio, that would be 90ish for "over the head", so 100 doesn't sound too bad). Then I'd use our good old friend, the square root of 2 (1.41) per modifier, or square root of the square root of 2 per stat (1.19). That gets ... [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD]Str[/TD] [TD]Heavy Load[/TD] [TD]Rounded nearest 5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]35[/TD] [TD]35[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [TD]40[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]59[/TD] [TD]60[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]71[/TD] [TD]70[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]84[/TD] [TD]85[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]100[/TD] [TD]100[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]119[/TD] [TD]120[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]141[/TD] [TD]140[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]168[/TD] [TD]170[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]14[/TD] [TD]200[/TD] [TD]200[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]238[/TD] [TD]240[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]283[/TD] [TD]285[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]336[/TD] [TD]335[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]400[/TD] [TD]400[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]476[/TD] [TD]475[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]566[/TD] [TD]565[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]21[/TD] [TD]673[/TD] [TD]675[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]800[/TD] [TD]800[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]951[/TD] [TD]950[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]1131[/TD] [TD]1130[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]25[/TD] [TD]1345[/TD] [TD]1345[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]26[/TD] [TD]1600[/TD] [TD]1600[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]1903[/TD] [TD]1905[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]28[/TD] [TD]2263[/TD] [TD]2265[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]2691[/TD] [TD]2690[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]3200[/TD] [TD]3200[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] That would place the current Olympic clean and jerk record within the reach of Str 20; maybe an Athletics check could exist to push it just a little further (nothing as extreme as doubling). The deadlift record would be doable with Str 20 too. -------------- [b]Running[/b] 5E currently lacks a running rule. 4E had a subpar running rule. 3E had what I consider to be a good running rule; the run action was full round for x4 speed and you lost your Dex to AC. I'd say a 5E run would be x4 speed and grant advantage on attacks against you; but even that's weird. Don't you run to make you a harder target to hit? Either way, Usain Bolt has the current 100 meter dash record at 9.58 seconds; that's close enough to a round for me (and a level of exhaustion maybe). I'd have to look at longer runs to figure out sustained, but for now, here's what that looks like. 100 meters in 9.58 secons works out to 62.63 meters in a round, or 205 feet. A monk or rogue (or anyone else who can double dash) would need a 70 foot speed to do this. A run ability would allow it with a 35 foot speed. ----------- I'm curious about other world records. How what are long distance walking records? Jogging records? How long can real people go without breathing, drinking water, or eating? [/QUOTE]
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