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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5728276" data-attributes="member: 4937">For the record, very few real world religions take much stock in 'faith' either.&nbsp; And those that do, don't use the term to mean &quot;believing in the existance of god(s)&quot;.&nbsp; Belief in the existance of god is not considered a virtue by any real world religion I'm aware of.&nbsp; You get much closer to the meaning of the term &quot;faith&quot; as it is used in the religious sense when you use terms like &quot;the faithful&quot;, although that doesn't really capture it completely either.&nbsp; Good thought.&nbsp; I need to add that (or a variation) to my list of common heresies. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Although on Sartha, that would be a harder one to swallow, because incarnation is a fairly common occurance you still have the out that you need not necessarily believe in god incarnate based on someone elses testimony that they have seen it.&nbsp; Miracles per se are fairly common and easily attestable, but face to face contact with a god is rare enough that a skeptic could doubt it or blame it on trickery either by mortal or spiritual agents or lack of objectivity by the believer.&nbsp;&nbsp; Additionally, it fits well with the some variations of the monoism heresy (all the various gods are just manifestations of a single force).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5728276, member: 4937"] For the record, very few real world religions take much stock in 'faith' either. And those that do, don't use the term to mean "believing in the existance of god(s)". Belief in the existance of god is not considered a virtue by any real world religion I'm aware of. You get much closer to the meaning of the term "faith" as it is used in the religious sense when you use terms like "the faithful", although that doesn't really capture it completely either. Good thought. I need to add that (or a variation) to my list of common heresies. :) Although on Sartha, that would be a harder one to swallow, because incarnation is a fairly common occurance you still have the out that you need not necessarily believe in god incarnate based on someone elses testimony that they have seen it. Miracles per se are fairly common and easily attestable, but face to face contact with a god is rare enough that a skeptic could doubt it or blame it on trickery either by mortal or spiritual agents or lack of objectivity by the believer. Additionally, it fits well with the some variations of the monoism heresy (all the various gods are just manifestations of a single force). [/QUOTE]

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