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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9451299" data-attributes="member: 2525">Search action just refers you to the rule for Perception. And perception is circular, as the Hide action tells you the DC for perception. And as Charlaquin mentioned, the Invis condition directly says you're concealed, unless the target can &quot;somehow see you.&quot; You know how you know if a target can somehow see you? &quot;Make note of your check’s total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (<a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/using-ability-scores#Perception" target="_blank">Perception</a>) check.&quot;The rules are remarkably consistent. I just don't like them. But not liking them is different from them being different than they are. I now think it's really quite clear how they intend for Hide to work. I'm just not happy with it.I am not sure if anyone's mentioned it, but this rule for the Hide action is almost the same as the rule currently being used for the Hide action in BG3. You can sneak right out in full light once you achieve hiding while under cover and you have the Invisible condition. However BG3 has facing and a cone of eyesight. Stay out of that cone, and only a perception check (passive or active) can find you. But 5.24e has no facing. I think we're supposed to explain the &quot;walking out in broad sight&quot; with a &quot;you wait until the creature is facing away from you&quot; though that's just a guess.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9451299, member: 2525"] Search action just refers you to the rule for Perception. And perception is circular, as the Hide action tells you the DC for perception. And as Charlaquin mentioned, the Invis condition directly says you're concealed, unless the target can "somehow see you." You know how you know if a target can somehow see you? "Make note of your check’s total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom ([URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/using-ability-scores#Perception']Perception[/URL]) check." The rules are remarkably consistent. I just don't like them. But not liking them is different from them being different than they are. I now think it's really quite clear how they intend for Hide to work. I'm just not happy with it. I am not sure if anyone's mentioned it, but this rule for the Hide action is almost the same as the rule currently being used for the Hide action in BG3. You can sneak right out in full light once you achieve hiding while under cover and you have the Invisible condition. However BG3 has facing and a cone of eyesight. Stay out of that cone, and only a perception check (passive or active) can find you. But 5.24e has no facing. I think we're supposed to explain the "walking out in broad sight" with a "you wait until the creature is facing away from you" though that's just a guess. [/QUOTE]

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