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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 9754893" data-attributes="member: 11760">Yes, but not in the way that's being argued:"Go kill these guys and level up."But going back several steps, I'm not even sure what your original objection is. I think we could assume goblins had birthdays as far back as B2 and "give tribute to our chief" is also a TSR staple. That it's tied to a particular celebration (the chief's birthday) doesn't feel like a fundamental change to me.And we've had arguments here before that people somehow did faction play with the Caves of Chaos (which feels like it would get foiled by a few lookouts seeing who the PCs are visiting), which suggests that people were playing B2 as something other than an shoot-on-sight situation all along.Heroes of the Borderlands doesn't suggest that PCs aren't going to be in combat with the cave residents. They've even swapped out one species of enemy, the orcs, for inhabitants who are even less likely to want to parley. (Although I ran the nothic in Phandelver as a creepy talking Gollum type, so who knows.)</blockquote>