Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dungeons & Dragons Releases New Unearthed Arcana Subclasses, Strongly Hinting at Dark Sun
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9735062" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>Kinda-Sorta. It establishes that Divine Magic and Nature Magic are fundamentally different forces to Arcane Magic within the world. By creating this separation, it casts Arcane magic, as a whole, as a specifically unnatural and "Dark" form of magic.</p><p></p><p>Which reinforces the idea of Defiling as default and the Sorcerer Kings being deeply, unrepentantly, evil. Also the whole "Sorcerer Hate" that floats around the setting where arcane casters are specifically hunted down and killed by common people because of their defiling ways. And, of course, the WORD "Defile" has tons of negative implications. </p><p></p><p>Helps to establish that, yes, Arcane magic is -bad-. And you can use it in a way that is less bad, but you always have the choice to use it in an evil way. Personally I always felt that was -cool-.</p><p></p><p>You're not entirely off. Balance was far less of a concern for 2e than 5e. However: I don't -really- care?</p><p></p><p>There is a point, and it's a weird point I'll grant you that, where a setting's entire identity is based on intentionally employed imbalance. Whether that's rolling 4d4+4 for character stats or having Preserving be strictly mathematically worse than defiling. Is it fair? No.</p><p></p><p>But the unfairness is rather the point. Arcane magic on Athas -is evil-. It is a tool of the Enemy. You -can- use it, at a price. Or you can play a Psion and bypass that problem entirely.</p><p></p><p>We're both free to have our opinions on things, thankfully. I personally prefer the differentiation of magic rather than making it all exactly the same, which is the direction WotC went with.</p><p></p><p>Oh, for sure! I literally posted EVERYTHING there is for 4e's Campaign Setting on the events of the Defiling War.</p><p></p><p>2e went into a little bit more detail. By which I mean dozens of pages of more information.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9735062, member: 6796468"] Kinda-Sorta. It establishes that Divine Magic and Nature Magic are fundamentally different forces to Arcane Magic within the world. By creating this separation, it casts Arcane magic, as a whole, as a specifically unnatural and "Dark" form of magic. Which reinforces the idea of Defiling as default and the Sorcerer Kings being deeply, unrepentantly, evil. Also the whole "Sorcerer Hate" that floats around the setting where arcane casters are specifically hunted down and killed by common people because of their defiling ways. And, of course, the WORD "Defile" has tons of negative implications. Helps to establish that, yes, Arcane magic is -bad-. And you can use it in a way that is less bad, but you always have the choice to use it in an evil way. Personally I always felt that was -cool-. You're not entirely off. Balance was far less of a concern for 2e than 5e. However: I don't -really- care? There is a point, and it's a weird point I'll grant you that, where a setting's entire identity is based on intentionally employed imbalance. Whether that's rolling 4d4+4 for character stats or having Preserving be strictly mathematically worse than defiling. Is it fair? No. But the unfairness is rather the point. Arcane magic on Athas -is evil-. It is a tool of the Enemy. You -can- use it, at a price. Or you can play a Psion and bypass that problem entirely. We're both free to have our opinions on things, thankfully. I personally prefer the differentiation of magic rather than making it all exactly the same, which is the direction WotC went with. Oh, for sure! I literally posted EVERYTHING there is for 4e's Campaign Setting on the events of the Defiling War. 2e went into a little bit more detail. By which I mean dozens of pages of more information. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dungeons & Dragons Releases New Unearthed Arcana Subclasses, Strongly Hinting at Dark Sun
Top