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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9737390" data-attributes="member: 7635">Ok let's put it like this. Imagine in a normal D&D world, a wizard in a 9 on the Arbitrary Power Scale (APS). It doesn't matter what alignment or moral outlook they have, they are always at about a 9. A defiler is at a 10. He is getting extra power from defiling (even if its just a small boost) and is saddled with the hindrance: people don't like you. A hindrance you can get around with deception, intimidation, or because the DM isn't enforcing it as strictly as they should.A Preserver is at a 7. He is arbitrarily weaker than a regular wizard and far below a defiler. The tradeoff is that people are less likely to not like you than they are the defiler. You are taken a 3 point hit in APS just by being a good person.Does that seem fair? The whole discussion came about because people were saying that this is acceptable, hell preferrable because being a good person SHOULD be harder, so by choosing to be good, you accept the 3 point drop in power as part of being good. And I asked why should that be acceptable? and its really not. It was posted many pages back that preservers aren't actually a 7, they are a bog standard 9 and the defiler is, at best, a 9.5. That didn't stop people from saying they would prefer the defiler be a 9 and the preserver several points lower, hence the questioning on why should the good character be punished for being good, and the answer was "it fits the setting" so my next inquiry being "if good should be punished, doesn't that promote evil since it is not likewise punished?" and to that I got a lot of platitudes about doing the right thing. I want to do the right thing; I don't want to be dropped points on the APS for choosing it. Not when the setting is already is harder than a normal D&D setting.  My ideal situation would be that that a defiler and a preserver are both a 9, but in different ways. Defilers get extra power, but at a real tangible cost. Preservers can avoid the cost but don't get the power. The same should be true of all PC options honestly. I don't agree that good characters should automatically be penalized mechanically for choosing the good option. That's all I'm trying to get at.</blockquote>

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