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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 9745299" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>The feature, by the way, says that “you usually contacted your patron via intermediaries”. It <strong>DOES NOT </strong>say that the patron wasn’t completely capable of waking you up in the middle of the night for an argument about the ethics of burning down a shop in the middle of Luskan because the owner was evil. </p><p></p><p>It <strong>also </strong> doesn’t say that you could not contact the patron directly before level nine. In fact, it directly allows for you to be able to by using the word “usually”. That <strong>literally</strong> means there are possible exceptions, ie that you could contact them directly, but the means to do so relied on the story/DM/your ingenuity. Just like before. </p><p></p><p>What’s more, the only thing I can find that suggest that you don’t know who your patron is, is one line in the Pact Magic feature that you are making way too much of. </p><p></p><p>It says the patrons identity is unclear, sure. The introduction says that you learned forbidden rituals and studied the nature of a type of otherworldly being in order to perform occult rituals to gain power from them. Both are flavor text, not rules. </p><p></p><p>Nothing in any of that means that you cannot know your patron at level 1, nor that your dm “isn’t allowed” to do anything at all, ever.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 9745299, member: 6704184"] The feature, by the way, says that “you usually contacted your patron via intermediaries”. It [B]DOES NOT [/B]say that the patron wasn’t completely capable of waking you up in the middle of the night for an argument about the ethics of burning down a shop in the middle of Luskan because the owner was evil. It [B]also [/B] doesn’t say that you could not contact the patron directly before level nine. In fact, it directly allows for you to be able to by using the word “usually”. That [B]literally[/B] means there are possible exceptions, ie that you could contact them directly, but the means to do so relied on the story/DM/your ingenuity. Just like before. What’s more, the only thing I can find that suggest that you don’t know who your patron is, is one line in the Pact Magic feature that you are making way too much of. It says the patrons identity is unclear, sure. The introduction says that you learned forbidden rituals and studied the nature of a type of otherworldly being in order to perform occult rituals to gain power from them. Both are flavor text, not rules. Nothing in any of that means that you cannot know your patron at level 1, nor that your dm “isn’t allowed” to do anything at all, ever. [/QUOTE]
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