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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2980872" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Sorry, but, not even close. A sloop's cruising speed would outpace the fastest of viking longships.</p><p></p><p>As far as ballista goes, well, there's also the bit about hardness. IIRC, a cog's hull has a hardness of 10. Now, do you think that a hull designed to withstand cannon shot would be weaker or stronger than a ship designed almost a THOUSAND years previously? You could shoot ballista at a sloop all day long and barely scratch the paint.</p><p></p><p>Even the galleons in Buccaneers and Bokor, IIRC, have hardnesses of 15. And we're two or three centuries beyond that.</p><p></p><p>This is my point.</p><p></p><p>It's not that the picture is a bad pic. It's not. It's a very good picture. Well done, looks great. But it is completely misplaced. This ship wouldn't even be seen in Buccaneers and Bokor - it's too modern. </p><p></p><p>This is a case where writers and artists need to do a minimum of historical research. It's not like there aren't decent looking ships in earlier periods. There are. Galleons look way cool even if they are a bit on the late side. Carracks are also very groovy looking and fit perfectly into the time period of DnD. </p><p></p><p>Dropping a sloop into the assumed tech period of DnD would have about the same effect as dropping the Nimitz into 1942. There would be nothing on the water that could come even close to catching it and nothing they could shoot at it would do more than rip sails. Never mind that the guns on a sloop would be rifled cannons with about four or five times the range of anything else. </p><p></p><p>All I'm asking for is for artists and designers to do 15 minutes of homework before publishing stuff. I don't think that's too far out of line.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 2980872, member: 22779"] Sorry, but, not even close. A sloop's cruising speed would outpace the fastest of viking longships. As far as ballista goes, well, there's also the bit about hardness. IIRC, a cog's hull has a hardness of 10. Now, do you think that a hull designed to withstand cannon shot would be weaker or stronger than a ship designed almost a THOUSAND years previously? You could shoot ballista at a sloop all day long and barely scratch the paint. Even the galleons in Buccaneers and Bokor, IIRC, have hardnesses of 15. And we're two or three centuries beyond that. This is my point. It's not that the picture is a bad pic. It's not. It's a very good picture. Well done, looks great. But it is completely misplaced. This ship wouldn't even be seen in Buccaneers and Bokor - it's too modern. This is a case where writers and artists need to do a minimum of historical research. It's not like there aren't decent looking ships in earlier periods. There are. Galleons look way cool even if they are a bit on the late side. Carracks are also very groovy looking and fit perfectly into the time period of DnD. Dropping a sloop into the assumed tech period of DnD would have about the same effect as dropping the Nimitz into 1942. There would be nothing on the water that could come even close to catching it and nothing they could shoot at it would do more than rip sails. Never mind that the guns on a sloop would be rifled cannons with about four or five times the range of anything else. All I'm asking for is for artists and designers to do 15 minutes of homework before publishing stuff. I don't think that's too far out of line. [/QUOTE]
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