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<blockquote data-quote="vlysses" data-source="post: 7556843" data-attributes="member: 82379"><p>So last session this happened:</p><p></p><p>A stone statue in dungeon, which looked like a petrified person, was converted back via major restoration. Unfortunately, said person immediately transformed into a major demon, which let go a roar and started attacking the group. We ageed on normal initiative, as we were kind of ready for something, and the demon had to also convert into his form first. </p><p></p><p>Now, I don't know what demon it is, but it this on it's own initiative (after sucking up two attacks by two of our party who were quicker on ini):</p><p>1. It cast some sort of illusion which made three other versions of itself appear (some variant of mirror image perhaps)</p><p>2. It summoned 4 lesser demons on top</p><p></p><p>For dramatic effect this was pretty cool (and I understand DM can do DM fiat, basta), but is it also rules conform?</p><p></p><p>We then stopped the game as time was up, so now I have time to question the DMs actions, before we play next week <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious :]" data-shortname=":]" /></p><p></p><p>DM says summon was not a spell but some sort of spell-like effect, therefore not subject to the limitation that restricts casting to one spell and one cantrip per round.</p><p></p><p>A couple of things I'm curious to clarify (beyond just the immediate action economy as played by our DM):</p><p></p><p>1. I thought the old 3.5E concept of Extraordinary, Spell-like, or Supernatural abilities has become obsolete in 5E, no? When googling, i noticed some vestiges of spell-like abilities e.g. in Medusa's Gaze, which cannot be counterspelled, but that's it. The casting itself still takes time, doesn't it? </p><p>2. So if spell like abilities are still around in some form are they not subject to time restrictions just as normal spells?</p><p>3. Finally, in the concrete situation, can the Demon do all that?</p><p></p><p>Thx for input!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vlysses, post: 7556843, member: 82379"] So last session this happened: A stone statue in dungeon, which looked like a petrified person, was converted back via major restoration. Unfortunately, said person immediately transformed into a major demon, which let go a roar and started attacking the group. We ageed on normal initiative, as we were kind of ready for something, and the demon had to also convert into his form first. Now, I don't know what demon it is, but it this on it's own initiative (after sucking up two attacks by two of our party who were quicker on ini): 1. It cast some sort of illusion which made three other versions of itself appear (some variant of mirror image perhaps) 2. It summoned 4 lesser demons on top For dramatic effect this was pretty cool (and I understand DM can do DM fiat, basta), but is it also rules conform? We then stopped the game as time was up, so now I have time to question the DMs actions, before we play next week :] DM says summon was not a spell but some sort of spell-like effect, therefore not subject to the limitation that restricts casting to one spell and one cantrip per round. A couple of things I'm curious to clarify (beyond just the immediate action economy as played by our DM): 1. I thought the old 3.5E concept of Extraordinary, Spell-like, or Supernatural abilities has become obsolete in 5E, no? When googling, i noticed some vestiges of spell-like abilities e.g. in Medusa's Gaze, which cannot be counterspelled, but that's it. The casting itself still takes time, doesn't it? 2. So if spell like abilities are still around in some form are they not subject to time restrictions just as normal spells? 3. Finally, in the concrete situation, can the Demon do all that? Thx for input! [/QUOTE]
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