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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kwyn" data-source="post: 1088635" data-attributes="member: 2362">I had started a thread about dwarves and midway through, we began talking about a dwarf barbarians ability to move at 30' in medium armor.  I was told I should ask here, so here ya go.Kwyn said:_________________________________________________Pogre said:I see your arguments, but a barbarian's speed is not reduced by medium armor and a normal dwarf is not slowed by medium or heavy loads. Therefore, if a dwarf barbarian is inherently faster by 10 feet, why would medium armor slow him when it does not slow other dwarfs? I guess I do not buy the idea that there is a magic barrier at 20 feet.I DO understand your point of view, but I think the other view has a legitimate argument. One that sways me at least._________________________________________________Green Knight said: Agreed. I just checked my 3.5 PHB, and it says that Barbarians still get their Fast Movement when in Medium Armor. Which means that the Barbarian in Medium Armor moves 30 ft. (Whereas the Barbarian in Light or no armor moves 40 ft. At least the ones that moved 30 ft. to begin with, I.E. Humans, elves, etc). So yeah, a Dwarf Barbarian, at least when not wearing Heavy Armor or carrying a Heavy Load, moves 30 ft._________________________________________________Olgar Shiverstone Except for two sentences down, where it says "when wearing medium armor or carrying a medium load, his speed drops to 30 feet". The barbarian fast movement description contradicts itself!The SRD text says:But the PHB goes on to say:Sloppy, sloppy, WOTC! Which is it? I'd default to the rules text (ie, SRD) rather than the example, I guess._________________________________________________Green Knight said:Yeah, that was sloppy wording. That should more properly say that the movement bonus is applied AFTER the Speed is modified by the armor or weight load (Either that, or Medium/Heavy Loads and Medium/Heavy Armor should subtract 10 feet from movement for Medium creatures, and 5 feet for Small creatures, rather than giving a fixed number). But whatever the case, the intent is pretty clearly. Namely that your half-orc barbarian in chainmail can move 30 ft., while the one in leather armor can move 40 ft (And in this case, I take the Example over the SRD any day. Why? Because Examples are where the writers can most clearly get across their intent with a ruling. They may screw up the wording of the ruling, but it's pretty clear from the example that a human barbarian in medium armor is supposed to move 30 ft). After all, the SRD says the following: If it were any other way, then what benefit is provided by Fast Movement for someone wearing Medium Armor? None at all, and I doubt that was the intent. That part should read: Change that one word and the whole thing makes perfect sense, and it's in line with the example in the PHB. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it more likely that WoTC screwed up just the one word, rather than them screwing up an entire example, as well as saying that there's a benefit to someone in Medium Armor when none exists_________________________________________________</blockquote>

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