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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Navarp" data-source="post: 1825937" data-attributes="member: 25543">Well Enofrcer that is exactly the kind of feedback I am looking for.  I honestly don't think that the class would be overpowered, but I appriciate your opinion.  The class is not for me so i was looking at the abilities to use as racial substitution levels (much like the ones in the Planar Handbook.)  That is why I am trading stuff away from the cleric and giving him other stuff.  Also in the latest revision He gains aura of courage at level 1, loses a level 1 spell slot as well (so he loses a spell slot from levels 1-8) and at 5th level he gains +4 to craft rolls (metal only doesn't stack with dwarf racial bonus) and 1/2 exp cost for making items with the craft magic arms and armour feat.  So that at least is only useful if you have taken that feat (or if you craft a lot) and clerics (esp. dwarf clerics) don't get a lot of feats.Another thing to think about is this: Are any of these abilities really BETTER than a spell of the given level?  Hammer specialist is about bulls str right (plus a feat) but you can never cast a diferant spell, you are locked into that +2 damage.  At 4th level you are again only gaining a little melee damage.  You are giving up freedom of movement, summon monster IV, Dimensional anchor, cure critical, etc. (once per day) to do a little more melee damage.  Quake doesn't even compare to a 5th level spell.  Starwalt is more or less shield of faith (base save should be higher) but it is about a level 2 divine spell equivilant that you are giving up a level 6 spell for.  Thunder strike is a conditional damage bonus again and compaire it to any level 7 spell (ie distruction, holy word, Etheral Jaunt, etc.)  I just don't think the class abilities are any better than the spells you are loosing.</blockquote>

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