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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 1765794" data-attributes="member: 1258">Has the optimal build for a Dwarven Defender changed after the release of Races of Stone?  Or even Complete Warrior?A previous thread about Dwarven Defenders can be found here, but seems to be 3.0 based because of the references to Templar (now Pious Templar in CW):<a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46611" target="_blank">http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46611</a> After looking at the Deepwarden's (RoS) 2nd level Stonewarden ability (allows the person to substitute their Con bonus in place of their Dex bonus to Armor Class), I couldn't help but think that this would make a very nice addition to the Dwarven Defender.However, Deepwarden requirements are tough for a Fighter or Paladin base.  You need BAB +5, Endurance, and 5 ranks in Climb, Heal, Jump, Knowledge (dungeoneering), and Survival.  Deepwarden's gain Track as a bonus feat at 1st level, which is redundant when the best way to qualify would be to take 3 levels of Ranger (which gives you Track and Endurance).Dwarven Defender requires BAB +7, Lawful Good, Dodge, Endurance, and Toughness.If you take the Racial Substitution level of Dwarf Fighter from Races of Stone, you get Knowledge (dungeoneering) as a class skill and Axe Focus (Weapon Focus for all axes).  But that still doesn't help with Heal and Survival, which means as cross class skills the earliest you could qualify for DW is 7th level.I think I worked out you can make a Ftr6/EWM1/DW2/DDX if you had 14+ Int.The level of Exotic Weapon Master (requires 3 ranks Craft (weaponsmithing) and Weapon Focus (exotic weapon)) can get you Uncanny Blow (apply double strength bonus to damage when wielding one-handed exotic weapon in two hands) and saves taking the dead Ftr 7 level.Anyone else got ideas?  I'm primarily looking to stick with the PHB, DMG, CW, CD and RoS books as we don't use FR, Eberron etc.<edit: fixed some problems with link></blockquote>

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