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<blockquote data-quote="DeathOfRats" data-source="post: 1167232" data-attributes="member: 14324">Ah, I see. I am actually blessed with an old character converted from 2nd edition. 18 percentile strength conversions rock, and he even has a decent intelligence score of 13 so he qualifies for combat expertise. I would have loved to do something paladinish for him, but having a charisma below 10 really puts him at a disadvantage for that.I did take on board the comments about cleave though, and taking a look at the epic book it seems like a good idea to get improved critical to lead onto devastating critical <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Maybe I will take a few less roll with it's and take you up on cleave/improved crit instead.[code]Lvl 10 Figher/10 Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Level&nbsp; &nbsp; Class&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DR&nbsp; &nbsp; Fort&nbsp; &nbsp; Reflex&nbsp; &nbsp; Will&nbsp; &nbsp; Feats1&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dodge, Toughness2&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Power Attack3&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; Weapon Focus4&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Endurance5&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2/-&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; Roll with it, Weapon Specialization7&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Cleave9&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4/-&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; Roll with it10&nbsp; &nbsp; Fighter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Improved Critical11&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; Iron Will13&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Great Cleave16&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; 7/-&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; Greater Weapon Specialization19&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; Dwarven Defender&nbsp; &nbsp; 10/-&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; [/code]I don't know how your campaigns run, but a lot of the adventures I have done would be much more successful if all our characters had taken a feat to improve our saving throws so I would much rather have Iron Will than Power Attack, although I do admit that I would love to have Power Attack too <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="DeathOfRats, post: 1167232, member: 14324"] Ah, I see. I am actually blessed with an old character converted from 2nd edition. 18 percentile strength conversions rock, and he even has a decent intelligence score of 13 so he qualifies for combat expertise. I would have loved to do something paladinish for him, but having a charisma below 10 really puts him at a disadvantage for that. I did take on board the comments about cleave though, and taking a look at the epic book it seems like a good idea to get improved critical to lead onto devastating critical :) Maybe I will take a few less roll with it's and take you up on cleave/improved crit instead. [code] Lvl 10 Figher/10 Dwarven Defender Level Class DR Fort Reflex Will Feats 1 Fighter 2 Dodge, Toughness 2 Fighter 3 Power Attack 3 Fighter 1 1 Weapon Focus 4 Fighter 4 Endurance 5 Fighter 6 Fighter 2/- 5 2 2 Roll with it, Weapon Specialization 7 Fighter 8 Fighter 6 Cleave 9 Fighter 4/- 3 3 Roll with it 10 Fighter 7 Improved Critical 11 Dwarven Defender 9 5 12 Dwarven Defender 10 8 Iron Will 13 Dwarven Defender 4 14 Dwarven Defender 11 9 15 Dwarven Defender Great Cleave 16 Dwarven Defender 7/- 12 5 10 17 Dwarven Defender 18 Dwarven Defender 13 11 Greater Weapon Specialization 19 Dwarven Defender 6 20 Dwarven Defender 10/- 14 12 [/code] I don't know how your campaigns run, but a lot of the adventures I have done would be much more successful if all our characters had taken a feat to improve our saving throws so I would much rather have Iron Will than Power Attack, although I do admit that I would love to have Power Attack too :) [/QUOTE]

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