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<blockquote data-quote="cignus_pfaccari" data-source="post: 5435557" data-attributes="member: 14557">Indeedily!The problem with that tack is it doesn't recognize what the miner's doing is a skill and craft in its own.&nbsp; It's not like any person can just go out to the backyard and come up with metal ore suitable for forging into a weapon of power*.&nbsp; You have to know where to look, how deep to dig, and what to do with the ore (are you going to just send cartloads of ore?&nbsp; Or much lighter bars?).&nbsp; You have to know how to separate the valuable ore from the stone or dirt, which is often easier said than done.&nbsp; This is not a simple thing, no more than blacksmithing or jewelcrafting.* - Well, they can if the backyard has an adamantite meteorite in it.&nbsp; But that's unlikely.Of course, dwarves do both.&nbsp; Depending on the setting, it may be expected that a given dwarf can gather the materials and make things with them to demonstrate that they're a well-rounded individual.&nbsp; Tolkien didn't seem to write much about the sociology of LotR-era dwarves, so we really can't say what their culture was like.The other problem is that, again, how far does that goblin thinking go?&nbsp; Do goblins return bottles of urine to the bar where they quaffed the ale?&nbsp; Do they return knicknacks and used clothes back to their makers, or just important things?And, hell, what were the goblins smoking when they leased an artifact to the wizards?&nbsp; I mean, seriously?&nbsp; An item of tremendous power and they expect the wizards, who have a COMLETELY DIFFERENT VIEW OF PROPERTY, to give it back?&nbsp; Especially since without the wizards' order, it wouldn't exist?&nbsp; Oy.Brad</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cignus_pfaccari, post: 5435557, member: 14557"] Indeedily! The problem with that tack is it doesn't recognize what the miner's doing is a skill and craft in its own. It's not like any person can just go out to the backyard and come up with metal ore suitable for forging into a weapon of power*. You have to know where to look, how deep to dig, and what to do with the ore (are you going to just send cartloads of ore? Or much lighter bars?). You have to know how to separate the valuable ore from the stone or dirt, which is often easier said than done. This is not a simple thing, no more than blacksmithing or jewelcrafting. * - Well, they can if the backyard has an adamantite meteorite in it. But that's unlikely. Of course, dwarves do both. Depending on the setting, it may be expected that a given dwarf can gather the materials and make things with them to demonstrate that they're a well-rounded individual. Tolkien didn't seem to write much about the sociology of LotR-era dwarves, so we really can't say what their culture was like. The other problem is that, again, how far does that goblin thinking go? Do goblins return bottles of urine to the bar where they quaffed the ale? Do they return knicknacks and used clothes back to their makers, or just important things? And, hell, what were the goblins smoking when they leased an artifact to the wizards? I mean, seriously? An item of tremendous power and they expect the wizards, who have a COMLETELY DIFFERENT VIEW OF PROPERTY, to give it back? Especially since without the wizards' order, it wouldn't exist? Oy. Brad [/QUOTE]

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