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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zander" data-source="post: 3010292" data-attributes="member: 1364">Maths isn't a science. It's a tool and a language, not a system of investigation or its conclusions.No, there isn't. As I've already said, although  a lot was achieved by this point, it wasn't through science. Many historians of science place the birth of science with Newton who came later (and even some historians of the subject regard Newton as too early). If you subject one part of the physical world to reasoned, scientific scrutiny, there's no rationale for not doing the same elsewhere. When you start to do that to magic, mythical creatures etc, the fantasy breaks down.  Twain introduced bicycles in gentle mockery of fantasy/historical fiction. It supports my point that introducing advanced technology into fantasy upsets the imagery of fantasy. That's fine when the intention is comedic as in Twain's book. Otherwise, it's absurd. How many gamers would take seriously a paladin in full plate with a lance couched under his arm peddling his bike as furiously as he can at a dragon? Tolkien cautioned against the introduction of science and technology in fantasy. Hickman and Weis even used the incompatibility as the theme of their Darksword novels and RPG.If I detailed every mistake they made because they had attempted to rewrite fantasy without due regard for the genre, it would take too long. However, many of the points raised about gnomes, knights etc in other threads by other posters stem from this. If you go over to one of the recent threads about gnomes, you can see my own contribution. If you like, I can do a search and post a link.</blockquote>

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