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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3023530" data-attributes="member: 22779">Hang on a tick.&nbsp; Perhaps I've been misreading this all along.&nbsp; Maybe our POV aren't as divergent as I thought.&nbsp; Is your problem with adding SF elements to D&amp;D with the science only?&nbsp; Or is it adding any SF element?If it's a &quot;science only&quot; problem, well, that's not really an issue.&nbsp; You can replace science with magic and it works.&nbsp; Precisely in the way that flesh golems can be created with magic instead of lightning bolts.&nbsp; Frankenstein's monster is a SF idea.&nbsp; It's heralded as the first true SF novel.&nbsp; And, reading the book, it is very much an SF novel.Yet, I have no problems with flesh golems in my game.&nbsp; Magic is a great tool.&nbsp; You can replace ANYTHING with magic and it works.&nbsp; Now, if the problem is with drawing any SF element into D&amp;D, that's a separate issue and I don't think we'll agree.&nbsp; Far too much of D&amp;D is drawn from SF sources to ever take them out again.&nbsp; Rust Monsters don't have to make any logical sense in a fantasy world - play the magic card and you're good to go.&nbsp; Mind Flayers work despite being solidly an SF construct (or possibly horror) just because psionics and magic are pretty much the same thing under different names.Extra-dimensional beings led by an undying queen flying through space on great ships work, because, well, we don't worry about the physics of it all, we chalk it up to magic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3023530, member: 22779"] Hang on a tick. Perhaps I've been misreading this all along. Maybe our POV aren't as divergent as I thought. Is your problem with adding SF elements to D&D with the science only? Or is it adding any SF element? If it's a "science only" problem, well, that's not really an issue. You can replace science with magic and it works. Precisely in the way that flesh golems can be created with magic instead of lightning bolts. Frankenstein's monster is a SF idea. It's heralded as the first true SF novel. And, reading the book, it is very much an SF novel. Yet, I have no problems with flesh golems in my game. Magic is a great tool. You can replace ANYTHING with magic and it works. Now, if the problem is with drawing any SF element into D&D, that's a separate issue and I don't think we'll agree. Far too much of D&D is drawn from SF sources to ever take them out again. Rust Monsters don't have to make any logical sense in a fantasy world - play the magic card and you're good to go. Mind Flayers work despite being solidly an SF construct (or possibly horror) just because psionics and magic are pretty much the same thing under different names. Extra-dimensional beings led by an undying queen flying through space on great ships work, because, well, we don't worry about the physics of it all, we chalk it up to magic. [/QUOTE]

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